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		<title>By: Craig Kennedy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 01:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, these AFI reviews were written on the fly so it&#039;s not surprising I wasn&#039;t always clear. These were first impressions without a lot ot time to dwell on them. I&#039;m happy to explain and rethink them.

If you like Nicole Kidman, or Jack Black or Jennifer Jason Leigh, you should check out Margot just because their performances were all really good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, these AFI reviews were written on the fly so it&#8217;s not surprising I wasn&#8217;t always clear. These were first impressions without a lot ot time to dwell on them. I&#8217;m happy to explain and rethink them.</p>
<p>If you like Nicole Kidman, or Jack Black or Jennifer Jason Leigh, you should check out Margot just because their performances were all really good.</p>
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		<title>By: glimmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>glimmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 01:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ah thanks craig.......you&#039;ve made it clear enough/for even me. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ah thanks craig&#8230;&#8230;.you&#8217;ve made it clear enough/for even me. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Kennedy</title>
		<link>http://livingincinema.com/2007/11/11/afi-fest-2007-day-10/comment-page-1/#comment-854</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 01:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see what you&#039;re saying Glimmer, and I don&#039;t need to identify myself in a movie, but even in an action movie, you indentify with the hero. You understand what they want and you want them to get it. I didn&#039;t understand these characters. I don&#039;t know people like them.

Furthermore, If I&#039;m going to spend 2 hours with a bunch of characters I wouldn&#039;t want to spend time with in real life, I better take something from the experience. I&#039;d better learn something.

With The Savages, I understood the characters. I understood why they did the things they did and I sympathized with them even when they were flawed and shitty to one another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see what you&#8217;re saying Glimmer, and I don&#8217;t need to identify myself in a movie, but even in an action movie, you indentify with the hero. You understand what they want and you want them to get it. I didn&#8217;t understand these characters. I don&#8217;t know people like them.</p>
<p>Furthermore, If I&#8217;m going to spend 2 hours with a bunch of characters I wouldn&#8217;t want to spend time with in real life, I better take something from the experience. I&#8217;d better learn something.</p>
<p>With The Savages, I understood the characters. I understood why they did the things they did and I sympathized with them even when they were flawed and shitty to one another.</p>
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		<title>By: glimmer</title>
		<link>http://livingincinema.com/2007/11/11/afi-fest-2007-day-10/comment-page-1/#comment-853</link>
		<dc:creator>glimmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 01:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the tracey fragments and now in search of a midnight kiss. seems you&#039;re running across some cool stuff that hasn&#039;t been written about 7,000 times since... yesterday. and that is awesome craig !!!!!!!!!!!  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the tracey fragments and now in search of a midnight kiss. seems you&#8217;re running across some cool stuff that hasn&#8217;t been written about 7,000 times since&#8230; yesterday. and that is awesome craig !!!!!!!!!!!  :)</p>
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		<title>By: glimmer</title>
		<link>http://livingincinema.com/2007/11/11/afi-fest-2007-day-10/comment-page-1/#comment-852</link>
		<dc:creator>glimmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 00:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh wait you already answered the wedding vs squid thing. sorry...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh wait you already answered the wedding vs squid thing. sorry&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: glimmer</title>
		<link>http://livingincinema.com/2007/11/11/afi-fest-2007-day-10/comment-page-1/#comment-851</link>
		<dc:creator>glimmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 00:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>craig..you mention not idetifying with the chracters because your upbringing was different ??

huh....anyway if i watched a movie with a character i could idenify with. i guuess the only movie ni&#039;d like wouls enough a guy staring at a computer while wanting a real doll...

anayway i think the identify thing is over rated. it can make a movie work(better) for you but it&#039;s not a deal breaker.

bad e.g. i can watch an action movie and maybe think it&#039;s ok even though i know i wouldn&#039;t last 15 seconds in a fight...and yeah i know the wedding thing is a more realistic movie but you get my point.

and not  liking a characters in a movie isn&#039;t a sin.....  ;)

greg araki.... when how about  doom generation/nowhere vs juno ?? which one better reflects &#039;the kids&#039;. hmm....

and anyway...i &#039;m the weirdo that can relate to things in movie put isn&#039;t expecting to see anything like my life(to boring to film/to pathetic to film)


but did the wedding movie work more for than the squid one ???/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>craig..you mention not idetifying with the chracters because your upbringing was different ??</p>
<p>huh&#8230;.anyway if i watched a movie with a character i could idenify with. i guuess the only movie ni&#8217;d like wouls enough a guy staring at a computer while wanting a real doll&#8230;</p>
<p>anayway i think the identify thing is over rated. it can make a movie work(better) for you but it&#8217;s not a deal breaker.</p>
<p>bad e.g. i can watch an action movie and maybe think it&#8217;s ok even though i know i wouldn&#8217;t last 15 seconds in a fight&#8230;and yeah i know the wedding thing is a more realistic movie but you get my point.</p>
<p>and not  liking a characters in a movie isn&#8217;t a sin&#8230;..  ;)</p>
<p>greg araki&#8230;. when how about  doom generation/nowhere vs juno ?? which one better reflects &#8216;the kids&#8217;. hmm&#8230;.</p>
<p>and anyway&#8230;i &#8216;m the weirdo that can relate to things in movie put isn&#8217;t expecting to see anything like my life(to boring to film/to pathetic to film)</p>
<p>but did the wedding movie work more for than the squid one ???/</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Kennedy</title>
		<link>http://livingincinema.com/2007/11/11/afi-fest-2007-day-10/comment-page-1/#comment-850</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 21:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to admit there is a certain remove to Anderson&#039;s surface style and I can see how someone would like him to cut through the bullshit and really get down to it for once.  Interestingly, the Coens are frequently accused of similar failings. I think No Country once and for all cuts the crap and anyone who still doubts them will never be invited to one of my dinner parties. I&#039;m just saying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to admit there is a certain remove to Anderson&#8217;s surface style and I can see how someone would like him to cut through the bullshit and really get down to it for once.  Interestingly, the Coens are frequently accused of similar failings. I think No Country once and for all cuts the crap and anyone who still doubts them will never be invited to one of my dinner parties. I&#8217;m just saying.</p>
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		<title>By: sartre</title>
		<link>http://livingincinema.com/2007/11/11/afi-fest-2007-day-10/comment-page-1/#comment-849</link>
		<dc:creator>sartre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 21:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have very eloquently championed Wes Anderson&#039;s unique contribution, Craig.  I couldn&#039;t agree more.  I think of him as someone interested in a particular brand of surfaces and their arrangement - human and inanimate ones created by humans.  And he uses these to explore existential angst, and the search for meaning and for connection with others in a way that is solely his own.  His characters preoccupations/distractions, weight of personal history, and over-thinking complicate their ability to connect with their hearts.  It&#039;s a more abstract, absurdist, and gentle investigation of human experience than Baumbach&#039;s but imo no less worthy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have very eloquently championed Wes Anderson&#8217;s unique contribution, Craig.  I couldn&#8217;t agree more.  I think of him as someone interested in a particular brand of surfaces and their arrangement &#8211; human and inanimate ones created by humans.  And he uses these to explore existential angst, and the search for meaning and for connection with others in a way that is solely his own.  His characters preoccupations/distractions, weight of personal history, and over-thinking complicate their ability to connect with their hearts.  It&#8217;s a more abstract, absurdist, and gentle investigation of human experience than Baumbach&#8217;s but imo no less worthy.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Kennedy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also loved Squid and the Whale. I liked Margot, but I didn&#039;t love it.

I haven&#039;t watched a lot of Araki (yes I know I should catch up with Mysterious Skin), but Smiley Face doesn&#039;t quite seem to fit in with the rest of his stuff. It&#039;s just a pure bong load of comedy. No darkness. No anger. No drama.

As for Wes Anderson going deep...I don&#039;t know if he has it in him and I don&#039;t know if that&#039;s a bad thing. I don&#039;t want to crack open a whole Wes Anderson debate (or maybe I do), but as I&#039;ve said before I don&#039;t find him to be as empty as his detractors like to imagine. There&#039;s an unreality to his work that isn&#039;t shared by Baumbach and Jenkins...their aim at the emotional truth is much less oblique, but there is a beating heart at the center of every Wes Anderson movie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also loved Squid and the Whale. I liked Margot, but I didn&#8217;t love it.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t watched a lot of Araki (yes I know I should catch up with Mysterious Skin), but Smiley Face doesn&#8217;t quite seem to fit in with the rest of his stuff. It&#8217;s just a pure bong load of comedy. No darkness. No anger. No drama.</p>
<p>As for Wes Anderson going deep&#8230;I don&#8217;t know if he has it in him and I don&#8217;t know if that&#8217;s a bad thing. I don&#8217;t want to crack open a whole Wes Anderson debate (or maybe I do), but as I&#8217;ve said before I don&#8217;t find him to be as empty as his detractors like to imagine. There&#8217;s an unreality to his work that isn&#8217;t shared by Baumbach and Jenkins&#8230;their aim at the emotional truth is much less oblique, but there is a beating heart at the center of every Wes Anderson movie.</p>
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		<title>By: sartre</title>
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		<dc:creator>sartre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 19:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too thought Mysterious Skin was devastating.  Easily the best film I&#039;ve seen that has explored its subject matter.

I loved Squid and the Whale, and will see Margot with an open mind but tempered expectations.  My wife has a complicated relationship with one of her sisters so I’m curious about whether I&#039;ll be less attuned to Margot’s key dynamics than her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too thought Mysterious Skin was devastating.  Easily the best film I&#8217;ve seen that has explored its subject matter.</p>
<p>I loved Squid and the Whale, and will see Margot with an open mind but tempered expectations.  My wife has a complicated relationship with one of her sisters so I’m curious about whether I&#8217;ll be less attuned to Margot’s key dynamics than her.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
		<link>http://livingincinema.com/2007/11/11/afi-fest-2007-day-10/comment-page-1/#comment-846</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also I don&#039;t want to get into a who&#039;s better contest, but Baumbach and now Jenkins are doing things that I wish Wes Anderson would consider, delving into a less self-conscious raw emotionalism. The Squid and the Whale felt like Anderson stripped of all the things that have been bothering me lately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also I don&#8217;t want to get into a who&#8217;s better contest, but Baumbach and now Jenkins are doing things that I wish Wes Anderson would consider, delving into a less self-conscious raw emotionalism. The Squid and the Whale felt like Anderson stripped of all the things that have been bothering me lately.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
		<link>http://livingincinema.com/2007/11/11/afi-fest-2007-day-10/comment-page-1/#comment-845</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting that The Savages is mentioned in a Baumbach post because I thought of The Squid and the Whale as I was watching Savages. I loved both and I look forward to seeing Margot.

It&#039;s also interesting that Araki chose to follow his major breakthrough, the devastating Mysterious Skin, with a film that invites comparisons to Harold and Kumar. Not necessarily bad but interesting.

Looking forward to the Lynch review, as well as a write up of a certain highly touted thriller by a certain pair of filmmakers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting that The Savages is mentioned in a Baumbach post because I thought of The Squid and the Whale as I was watching Savages. I loved both and I look forward to seeing Margot.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also interesting that Araki chose to follow his major breakthrough, the devastating Mysterious Skin, with a film that invites comparisons to Harold and Kumar. Not necessarily bad but interesting.</p>
<p>Looking forward to the Lynch review, as well as a write up of a certain highly touted thriller by a certain pair of filmmakers.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Kennedy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 02:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all Amy, thank you for your comment. I think you&#039;re right that there was definitely something I wasn&#039;t seeing about this move...something that slowly started to dawn on me even as I wrote this capsule review.

The truth is, love them or not, they&#039;re family and they continue to impact our lives in one way or another even when we&#039;re grown up.

I have to say though, I just saw The Savages this afternoon. It was also about two adult siblings and for me it was equally funny but far more emotionally powerful than Baumbach&#039;s film was. Probably because it was something much closer to my own personal experience.

Joel, I share your ambivalence about Araki, but Smiley Face was just a straight up comedy and a frequently funny one. I&#039;d recommend you check it out, at least on DVD.

Hedwig, I had a bad feeling about Midnight Kiss going in, it does sound too indie for its own good, but I can&#039;t resist movies about LA and I was intrigued by the black and white. Despite my reservations, it charmed me almost completely. Yes it had flaws, but for a film shot in 16 days on a shoestring budget, I&#039;m happy to give it the benefit of a doubt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all Amy, thank you for your comment. I think you&#8217;re right that there was definitely something I wasn&#8217;t seeing about this move&#8230;something that slowly started to dawn on me even as I wrote this capsule review.</p>
<p>The truth is, love them or not, they&#8217;re family and they continue to impact our lives in one way or another even when we&#8217;re grown up.</p>
<p>I have to say though, I just saw The Savages this afternoon. It was also about two adult siblings and for me it was equally funny but far more emotionally powerful than Baumbach&#8217;s film was. Probably because it was something much closer to my own personal experience.</p>
<p>Joel, I share your ambivalence about Araki, but Smiley Face was just a straight up comedy and a frequently funny one. I&#8217;d recommend you check it out, at least on DVD.</p>
<p>Hedwig, I had a bad feeling about Midnight Kiss going in, it does sound too indie for its own good, but I can&#8217;t resist movies about LA and I was intrigued by the black and white. Despite my reservations, it charmed me almost completely. Yes it had flaws, but for a film shot in 16 days on a shoestring budget, I&#8217;m happy to give it the benefit of a doubt.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 02:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you missed the point of MATW, the statement rang false because it is, the characters in MATW are trying desperately to be people that they are not even with their family.  Why do you think Margot turned round and got on the bus rather than staying with Pauline, her mother and other sister, why do you think she said she can&#039;t live with Pauline?  The movie doesn&#039;t really need to spell it out to say &quot;this is what we mean&quot;.  They call each other best friends but are they really from what we saw of them together that weekend?  It is not a linear movie, it is a movie that shows you clips of their lives and says to you, &quot;true or false?&quot;.

And yes, it doesn&#039;t matter if you hate a member of your family, the heart will always be torn about loving them since that is what we are meant to feel - love, if you can&#039;t love your family then how are you with people on the outside?  These women have avoided each other at all costs except for that weekend, that was the first time they&#039;d seen each other for 3 years so they are not close at all.  The statements by these women or characters is not to be taken at face value, they lie and tell the truth simultaneously.  When we met Margot on the train, the 2 of the first things she said were lies, you find that out as you go along with the movie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you missed the point of MATW, the statement rang false because it is, the characters in MATW are trying desperately to be people that they are not even with their family.  Why do you think Margot turned round and got on the bus rather than staying with Pauline, her mother and other sister, why do you think she said she can&#8217;t live with Pauline?  The movie doesn&#8217;t really need to spell it out to say &#8220;this is what we mean&#8221;.  They call each other best friends but are they really from what we saw of them together that weekend?  It is not a linear movie, it is a movie that shows you clips of their lives and says to you, &#8220;true or false?&#8221;.</p>
<p>And yes, it doesn&#8217;t matter if you hate a member of your family, the heart will always be torn about loving them since that is what we are meant to feel &#8211; love, if you can&#8217;t love your family then how are you with people on the outside?  These women have avoided each other at all costs except for that weekend, that was the first time they&#8217;d seen each other for 3 years so they are not close at all.  The statements by these women or characters is not to be taken at face value, they lie and tell the truth simultaneously.  When we met Margot on the train, the 2 of the first things she said were lies, you find that out as you go along with the movie.</p>
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		<title>By: joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 00:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m still curious about Margot and will hopefully get a chance to check it out (I skipped most of your review) but I have some trepidation about it. We&#039;ll see.

In Search of a Midnight Kiss sounds somewhat pretentious but then so did Once and I enjoyed the hell out of that movie so why not? I imagine I will be lucky to find this one anywhere other than DVD, so I&#039;ll try to remember to add it into my Netlfix queue.

As for Smiley Face, I have a strong aversion to Greg Araki. I just can&#039;t see the appeal in his films. They always have some good things going  for them, but then he loses me. I don&#039;t know if I&#039;ll bother with this one at all even though I really respect Farris&#039; comic timing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still curious about Margot and will hopefully get a chance to check it out (I skipped most of your review) but I have some trepidation about it. We&#8217;ll see.</p>
<p>In Search of a Midnight Kiss sounds somewhat pretentious but then so did Once and I enjoyed the hell out of that movie so why not? I imagine I will be lucky to find this one anywhere other than DVD, so I&#8217;ll try to remember to add it into my Netlfix queue.</p>
<p>As for Smiley Face, I have a strong aversion to Greg Araki. I just can&#8217;t see the appeal in his films. They always have some good things going  for them, but then he loses me. I don&#8217;t know if I&#8217;ll bother with this one at all even though I really respect Farris&#8217; comic timing.</p>
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		<title>By: Hedwig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hedwig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 21:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, I sense...you don&#039;t have a sister. Or at least aren&#039;t one of two sisters. I am, and since I very much have a love/hate relationship with my darling sister, who can get under my skin like nobody else can, I&#039;m looking forward to Baumbach&#039;s latest.

In search of a Midnight Kiss sounds unbearably indie, but you make it seem worth checking out. If it ever comes to my neck of the woods, I probably will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, I sense&#8230;you don&#8217;t have a sister. Or at least aren&#8217;t one of two sisters. I am, and since I very much have a love/hate relationship with my darling sister, who can get under my skin like nobody else can, I&#8217;m looking forward to Baumbach&#8217;s latest.</p>
<p>In search of a Midnight Kiss sounds unbearably indie, but you make it seem worth checking out. If it ever comes to my neck of the woods, I probably will.</p>
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