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		<title>By: sartre</title>
		<link>http://livingincinema.com/2007/12/01/fallwinter-part-4-december/comment-page-1/#comment-1130</link>
		<dc:creator>sartre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 20:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great to see the wonderful jennybee posting comment on these boards!</description>
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		<title>By: Craig Kennedy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 18:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Jennybee. I hope you&#039;ll come back and stir things up from time to time.

Goldsman is only one of the writers I think, so there&#039;s always a chance he didn&#039;t completely muck it up...but really what are the odds?

In a world that needs more quality Sci-Fi, it&#039;ll be a shame if Legend stinks.

Heh heh, I forgot to comment on Pierre&#039;s Bucket List dismissal. 

(In John Cleese voice) &quot;Oh dear. I have trodden in monsieur&#039;s bucket. Another bucket for monseiur!...and perhaps a hose.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jennybee. I hope you&#8217;ll come back and stir things up from time to time.</p>
<p>Goldsman is only one of the writers I think, so there&#8217;s always a chance he didn&#8217;t completely muck it up&#8230;but really what are the odds?</p>
<p>In a world that needs more quality Sci-Fi, it&#8217;ll be a shame if Legend stinks.</p>
<p>Heh heh, I forgot to comment on Pierre&#8217;s Bucket List dismissal. </p>
<p>(In John Cleese voice) &#8220;Oh dear. I have trodden in monsieur&#8217;s bucket. Another bucket for monseiur!&#8230;and perhaps a hose.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: jennybee</title>
		<link>http://livingincinema.com/2007/12/01/fallwinter-part-4-december/comment-page-1/#comment-1121</link>
		<dc:creator>jennybee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rats, I was hoping I Am Legend might get it right this time, but I didn&#039;t realize Goldsman was writing it. Batman &amp; Robin alone is two hours of my life I&#039;m going to be gnashing my teeth about on my deathbed. I may send the husband to Legend alone. 

CJ, I really enjoy your site. Nicely done.

Pierre, I, a target demographic thirtysomething female must completely and sheepishly concur with you on PS I Love You. But also on The Bucket List. Blech.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rats, I was hoping I Am Legend might get it right this time, but I didn&#8217;t realize Goldsman was writing it. Batman &amp; Robin alone is two hours of my life I&#8217;m going to be gnashing my teeth about on my deathbed. I may send the husband to Legend alone. </p>
<p>CJ, I really enjoy your site. Nicely done.</p>
<p>Pierre, I, a target demographic thirtysomething female must completely and sheepishly concur with you on PS I Love You. But also on The Bucket List. Blech.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Kennedy</title>
		<link>http://livingincinema.com/2007/12/01/fallwinter-part-4-december/comment-page-1/#comment-1120</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahahah. You people are funny. Keep your voices down about Juno though, they&#039;ll hear you and come after me.

I can guarantee that Chuck is right and he will hate Juno. It&#039;s the kind of movie if you go in wanting to hate it, many reasons present themselves almost immediately. There&#039;s another side of that coin however and you&#039;re all smart enough to see it without me spelling it out so I&#039;ll be like No Country and fnish this scene off screen...

The thing about No Smoking and I think it applies even more to Juno is that they both might&#039;ve been a lot better if they were true indie film instead of Fox Searchlight. As it is, the edges have been scrubbed off. They&#039;re too squeaky clean. Maybe I should track down the original Juno screenplay and see if my theory holds water.

Pierre, there is no shame in being drawn to PS I Love You. We&#039;ve been fed a steady diet of terrific, challenging films this year and an occasional Twinkie never hurt anyone. If all you ate were Twinkies...well then I suspect you wouldn&#039;t take the trouble to comment here.  

It might not actually be a Twinkie. As Chuck says, Lagravanese isn&#039;t a hack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahahah. You people are funny. Keep your voices down about Juno though, they&#8217;ll hear you and come after me.</p>
<p>I can guarantee that Chuck is right and he will hate Juno. It&#8217;s the kind of movie if you go in wanting to hate it, many reasons present themselves almost immediately. There&#8217;s another side of that coin however and you&#8217;re all smart enough to see it without me spelling it out so I&#8217;ll be like No Country and fnish this scene off screen&#8230;</p>
<p>The thing about No Smoking and I think it applies even more to Juno is that they both might&#8217;ve been a lot better if they were true indie film instead of Fox Searchlight. As it is, the edges have been scrubbed off. They&#8217;re too squeaky clean. Maybe I should track down the original Juno screenplay and see if my theory holds water.</p>
<p>Pierre, there is no shame in being drawn to PS I Love You. We&#8217;ve been fed a steady diet of terrific, challenging films this year and an occasional Twinkie never hurt anyone. If all you ate were Twinkies&#8230;well then I suspect you wouldn&#8217;t take the trouble to comment here.  </p>
<p>It might not actually be a Twinkie. As Chuck says, Lagravanese isn&#8217;t a hack.</p>
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		<title>By: joel</title>
		<link>http://livingincinema.com/2007/12/01/fallwinter-part-4-december/comment-page-1/#comment-1119</link>
		<dc:creator>joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 15:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chuck, well I wasn&#039;t disagreeing with you...you just made me laugh. I thought the biggest problem with Thank You for Smoking was that it was about 10 years too late to really have the advantage of truly being satire. It felt like I was watching a great movie taken from some time capsule. I&#039;m not sure it completely qualifies but I see what you&#039;re getting at. My opinion of Thank You has diminished somewhat over time simply because the movie itself ends up picking such easy and obvious targets. I&#039;m sure if it had been made when the book first came out, it would have been lobbing hand grenades rather than spitballs.

I don&#039;t mind feel good for the sake of feel good and it&#039;s entirely possible PS I Love You might be a perfectly fine film with a regrettably obnoxious trailer, but I doubt it would appeal to me. Regardless, I do hate feel good mixed with politics. Thanks, but the Lifetime network is way ahead of Hollywood on that note these days.

Time will tell what I think of Juno but I&#039;ll be sure to post my thoughts when the time comes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chuck, well I wasn&#8217;t disagreeing with you&#8230;you just made me laugh. I thought the biggest problem with Thank You for Smoking was that it was about 10 years too late to really have the advantage of truly being satire. It felt like I was watching a great movie taken from some time capsule. I&#8217;m not sure it completely qualifies but I see what you&#8217;re getting at. My opinion of Thank You has diminished somewhat over time simply because the movie itself ends up picking such easy and obvious targets. I&#8217;m sure if it had been made when the book first came out, it would have been lobbing hand grenades rather than spitballs.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mind feel good for the sake of feel good and it&#8217;s entirely possible PS I Love You might be a perfectly fine film with a regrettably obnoxious trailer, but I doubt it would appeal to me. Regardless, I do hate feel good mixed with politics. Thanks, but the Lifetime network is way ahead of Hollywood on that note these days.</p>
<p>Time will tell what I think of Juno but I&#8217;ll be sure to post my thoughts when the time comes.</p>
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		<title>By: Pierre de Plume</title>
		<link>http://livingincinema.com/2007/12/01/fallwinter-part-4-december/comment-page-1/#comment-1118</link>
		<dc:creator>Pierre de Plume</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 15:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a confession to make. I want to see P.S. I Love You. I know that this is a character flaw and that I&#039;ve been seduced by the trailer into a downward spiral of silly, simpering poor taste. So there&#039;s no need to dismiss me as a chump. I already know it.

In my defense, the only way I&#039;d see The Bucket List is with barf bucket in hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a confession to make. I want to see P.S. I Love You. I know that this is a character flaw and that I&#8217;ve been seduced by the trailer into a downward spiral of silly, simpering poor taste. So there&#8217;s no need to dismiss me as a chump. I already know it.</p>
<p>In my defense, the only way I&#8217;d see The Bucket List is with barf bucket in hand.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
		<link>http://livingincinema.com/2007/12/01/fallwinter-part-4-december/comment-page-1/#comment-1117</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 13:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A bit militant Joel I&#039;ll admit, but those kinds of movies really rub me the wrong way. It would be less irritating if the critics didn&#039;t always fall for it too. For anyone keeping score back home, I consider young Reitman&#039;s first film, Thank You for Smoking, to fall under the same category. A film that wants you to think it&#039;s irreverent and dangerous, but wants to send you out of the theatre happy and comfortable and with all platitudes in check.

I&#039;ll say it, the PS I love You trailer (awful music notwithstanding) could be worse, and Richard LaGravenese&#039;s short film in Paris je t&#039;aime was wonderful. But I haven&#039;t bought Hilary Swank in anything since Boys Don&#039;t Cry, and I imagine the film doesn&#039;t go beyond chick flick filler.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A bit militant Joel I&#8217;ll admit, but those kinds of movies really rub me the wrong way. It would be less irritating if the critics didn&#8217;t always fall for it too. For anyone keeping score back home, I consider young Reitman&#8217;s first film, Thank You for Smoking, to fall under the same category. A film that wants you to think it&#8217;s irreverent and dangerous, but wants to send you out of the theatre happy and comfortable and with all platitudes in check.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll say it, the PS I love You trailer (awful music notwithstanding) could be worse, and Richard LaGravenese&#8217;s short film in Paris je t&#8217;aime was wonderful. But I haven&#8217;t bought Hilary Swank in anything since Boys Don&#8217;t Cry, and I imagine the film doesn&#8217;t go beyond chick flick filler.</p>
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		<title>By: joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 03:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Chuck....you saying you&#039;re not going to see Juno?

My favorite line is &quot;I hate dumb, middle of the road movies that are made for the wannabe smarties that are too insecure to admit they want dumb middle of the road movies.&quot;

Ouch, that ones gonna leave a mark.

Craig, you&#039;re right, a lot of people will probably LOVE PS I Love You and god knows it&#039;s got some talented people in it but it&#039;s just not something I can even conceive of sitting through. Thankfully my girlfriend likes these kind of movies in the same sort of cotton-candy manner that I like summer action movies: we&#039;re both completely happy to enjoy our guilty pleasures alone. No reason to drag anyone into the abyss with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Chuck&#8230;.you saying you&#8217;re not going to see Juno?</p>
<p>My favorite line is &#8220;I hate dumb, middle of the road movies that are made for the wannabe smarties that are too insecure to admit they want dumb middle of the road movies.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ouch, that ones gonna leave a mark.</p>
<p>Craig, you&#8217;re right, a lot of people will probably LOVE PS I Love You and god knows it&#8217;s got some talented people in it but it&#8217;s just not something I can even conceive of sitting through. Thankfully my girlfriend likes these kind of movies in the same sort of cotton-candy manner that I like summer action movies: we&#8217;re both completely happy to enjoy our guilty pleasures alone. No reason to drag anyone into the abyss with you.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
		<link>http://livingincinema.com/2007/12/01/fallwinter-part-4-december/comment-page-1/#comment-1111</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry, I haven&#039;t seen it yet, but I already fucking hate Juno. This is going to be this year&#039;s movie McIndie Movie that&#039;s really just a lower budget, do anything to please all types horseshit-fest. The trailer, which I&#039;m having to see in front of more movies with distressing regularity, is awful. 

The dialogue is flimsy, annoying, and overwritten, the &quot;quirk&quot;, the &quot;outrage&quot; all neatly manufactured and then discarded for the ending that teaches us a Very Special Thing so we walking out loving it. If the trailer is to be believed everyone gets at least one &quot;what we need of one another in this world&quot; speech before the curtains go down.

Listen, if you want dumb middle of the road movies, that&#039;s fine, but I hate dumb, middle of the road movies that are made for the wannabe smarties that are too insecure to admit they want dumb middle of the road movies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, I haven&#8217;t seen it yet, but I already fucking hate Juno. This is going to be this year&#8217;s movie McIndie Movie that&#8217;s really just a lower budget, do anything to please all types horseshit-fest. The trailer, which I&#8217;m having to see in front of more movies with distressing regularity, is awful. </p>
<p>The dialogue is flimsy, annoying, and overwritten, the &#8220;quirk&#8221;, the &#8220;outrage&#8221; all neatly manufactured and then discarded for the ending that teaches us a Very Special Thing so we walking out loving it. If the trailer is to be believed everyone gets at least one &#8220;what we need of one another in this world&#8221; speech before the curtains go down.</p>
<p>Listen, if you want dumb middle of the road movies, that&#8217;s fine, but I hate dumb, middle of the road movies that are made for the wannabe smarties that are too insecure to admit they want dumb middle of the road movies.</p>
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		<title>By: joel</title>
		<link>http://livingincinema.com/2007/12/01/fallwinter-part-4-december/comment-page-1/#comment-1105</link>
		<dc:creator>joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 15:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>frank,

You could get away with Requiem in an Alien trilogy sequel but in Alien Vs Predator series (God, please let it end at two) it does indeed merit many snickers.

Although I admit, the 13 year old in me would like it to at least be watchable but after seeing the trailer, I&#039;m guessing it won&#039;t be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>frank,</p>
<p>You could get away with Requiem in an Alien trilogy sequel but in Alien Vs Predator series (God, please let it end at two) it does indeed merit many snickers.</p>
<p>Although I admit, the 13 year old in me would like it to at least be watchable but after seeing the trailer, I&#8217;m guessing it won&#8217;t be.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Kennedy</title>
		<link>http://livingincinema.com/2007/12/01/fallwinter-part-4-december/comment-page-1/#comment-1097</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 04:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And you know I actually have to admit, though I&#039;m against this type of movie on principle, the Great Debaters looks like it could win me over if I let it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And you know I actually have to admit, though I&#8217;m against this type of movie on principle, the Great Debaters looks like it could win me over if I let it.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Kennedy</title>
		<link>http://livingincinema.com/2007/12/01/fallwinter-part-4-december/comment-page-1/#comment-1096</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 04:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joel, many husband and boyfriends will be dragged to P.S. I Love You. Though I admit the subject is clearly pandering to a narrow (yet underserved) segment of the audience, it doesn&#039;t have to suck. Being single, I&#039;ll probably never have to find out.

Also, don&#039;t let me piss on your Juno campfire. There&#039;s a real chance I read this one wrong or I was just in a bad mood or I&#039;d just seen too many goddamn movies in too short a period of time. Keep an open mind. All I&#039;m saying. You may remember my original capsule review I think I recommended people see it anyway.

Thank you Frank. You wouldn&#039;t believe the dirty looks I get when I dump on Ron Howard. Or maybe you get the same response up there in Lumberton.

I&#039;m not expecting a lot from Youth Without Youth, but I hope it&#039;s interesting at least. Persepolis I&#039;m really excited about.

I don&#039;t know how you roll on the whole musical front Frank, but I think you might dig Sweeney. Yes, I freely use words like &#039;dig&#039; with no discernable trace of irony. I&#039;m weird that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joel, many husband and boyfriends will be dragged to P.S. I Love You. Though I admit the subject is clearly pandering to a narrow (yet underserved) segment of the audience, it doesn&#8217;t have to suck. Being single, I&#8217;ll probably never have to find out.</p>
<p>Also, don&#8217;t let me piss on your Juno campfire. There&#8217;s a real chance I read this one wrong or I was just in a bad mood or I&#8217;d just seen too many goddamn movies in too short a period of time. Keep an open mind. All I&#8217;m saying. You may remember my original capsule review I think I recommended people see it anyway.</p>
<p>Thank you Frank. You wouldn&#8217;t believe the dirty looks I get when I dump on Ron Howard. Or maybe you get the same response up there in Lumberton.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not expecting a lot from Youth Without Youth, but I hope it&#8217;s interesting at least. Persepolis I&#8217;m really excited about.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how you roll on the whole musical front Frank, but I think you might dig Sweeney. Yes, I freely use words like &#8216;dig&#8217; with no discernable trace of irony. I&#8217;m weird that way.</p>
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		<title>By: frankbooth</title>
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		<dc:creator>frankbooth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 02:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...can&#039;t think of anything Schrader has directed that I really like&quot; &quot;awful Ron Howard movies&quot; &quot;Merry Christmas, assholes.&quot;

I&#039;ve probably told you this before, Craig, but you&#039;re okay by me.

Kite Runner, Persepolis, The Orphanage and (surprisingly) Sweeny Todd seem like the best bets to me.

Does the word &quot;Requiem&quot; in the title of a monster-movie rehash make anyone else snicker?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;can&#8217;t think of anything Schrader has directed that I really like&#8221; &#8220;awful Ron Howard movies&#8221; &#8220;Merry Christmas, assholes.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve probably told you this before, Craig, but you&#8217;re okay by me.</p>
<p>Kite Runner, Persepolis, The Orphanage and (surprisingly) Sweeny Todd seem like the best bets to me.</p>
<p>Does the word &#8220;Requiem&#8221; in the title of a monster-movie rehash make anyone else snicker?</p>
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		<title>By: joel</title>
		<link>http://livingincinema.com/2007/12/01/fallwinter-part-4-december/comment-page-1/#comment-1094</link>
		<dc:creator>joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 18:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, what a mishmash of films I&#039;ve been looking forward to and films I have no interest in ever seeing. I can say without a doubt that from what I&#039;ve seen (having not seen all the trailers for all these films) that the Bucket List looks absolutely awful. Collect a paycheck, won&#039;t you? 

Although I&#039;ve suffered through the trailer for PS I Love You a staggering three times now and I have as yet to gouge out both my eyes with dull butter knives, it does look like one of those great crowd pleasers that defines my contempt for mainstream movie-goers. I know nothing about The Perfect Holiday, but between the title and the cast I don&#039;t think I need to. It writes itself from those elements only.

Really looking forward to THere Will Be Blood. I&#039;m hoping I can enjoy Juno since my girlfriend is looking forward to it. The Orphanage and Persepolis both have sturdy buzz and seem very unChristmas, so those are on my shortlist.

I&#039;m hesistant to get too excited about Youth Without Youth, Sweeney Todd, or Charlie Wilson&#039;s War but I&#039;m hoping to enjoy all three. All three of these are directed by guys with wildly spotty but lofty records, so we shall wait and see.

All in all though, December may end up proving out 2007 as a banner year at the theater after an abyssmal summer. One can only hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, what a mishmash of films I&#8217;ve been looking forward to and films I have no interest in ever seeing. I can say without a doubt that from what I&#8217;ve seen (having not seen all the trailers for all these films) that the Bucket List looks absolutely awful. Collect a paycheck, won&#8217;t you? </p>
<p>Although I&#8217;ve suffered through the trailer for PS I Love You a staggering three times now and I have as yet to gouge out both my eyes with dull butter knives, it does look like one of those great crowd pleasers that defines my contempt for mainstream movie-goers. I know nothing about The Perfect Holiday, but between the title and the cast I don&#8217;t think I need to. It writes itself from those elements only.</p>
<p>Really looking forward to THere Will Be Blood. I&#8217;m hoping I can enjoy Juno since my girlfriend is looking forward to it. The Orphanage and Persepolis both have sturdy buzz and seem very unChristmas, so those are on my shortlist.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m hesistant to get too excited about Youth Without Youth, Sweeney Todd, or Charlie Wilson&#8217;s War but I&#8217;m hoping to enjoy all three. All three of these are directed by guys with wildly spotty but lofty records, so we shall wait and see.</p>
<p>All in all though, December may end up proving out 2007 as a banner year at the theater after an abyssmal summer. One can only hope.</p>
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