Hulk Smash Puny Internet Rumors

Though I never lived through them, I think I miss the studio days when the buzz around a movie or a celebrity’s image was carefully controlled. At the very least, I’d like to go back to a time before the Internet when behind-the-camera movie gossip wasn’t dressed up as breaking news.

These days, director’s tirades turn up on YouTube and reports of on and off the set squabbles litter fan sites run by people who don’t seem to understand how the creative process works, let alone what happens in group dynamics.

Imagine if someone took notes about the day-to-day workings of your family and posted every disagreement on the Internet for everyone to read. You’d probably be horrified and your family would look like a bunch of dysfunctional freaks. Maybe they are, but even normal, healthy families have their ups and downs. The difference is that, on balance, everyone is happy in the end and the in-between drama isn’t splattered all over the Internet.

Unfortunately, movie productions don’t have that luxury.

The gossip often starts when talent is asked about, or otherwise expresses interest in, a certain project real or imagined. Let’s say it’s Adam McKay acknowledging that yes, he, and Will Ferrell are interested in doing another Anchorman. News that they aren’t interested in returning to one of their most popular movie projects would be more surprising, but nevertheless, McKay’s interest and intentions are stripped of all the conditions he may have added (if we can assemble the cast and if we can get a script and if Venus and Saturn properly align…) and suddenly it’s a scoop: Anchorman 2 is practically coming soon to a theater near you.

An Anchorman sequel may well be thrust upon the world in the next couple of years. I’ll be shocked if it isn’t, but at this point it’s just talk. Look at it this way, if every project a director or star toyed with came into being, I’d be sitting here watching a 5-disc Blu-ray Special Edition of Stanley Kubrick’s Napoleon right now instead of tapping out this post which has already traveled further afield than I originally planned.



Look. How droll. Another Internet rumor.

Next, once a project miraculously gets off the ground and production actually begins, the casting rumors start to roll in as this or that celebrity is attached to (or unattached from) this or that film. Some of it is wishful thinking, some of it is misinformation and some of it is fact, but things change right up to the time cameras start rolling. Even then, nothing is final. If they were, I’d be watching Stanley Kubrick’s Eyes Wide Shut starring Harvey Keitel and Jennifer Jason Leigh right now instead of writing this post, which is now even further afield than it was in the last paragraph. Don’t worry though, I’ll bet most of this doesn’t even make it past the first draft.

Once filming blissfully and mercifully begins, the noise continues unabated. Now the set photos and accident reports and production problems begin to circulate. I’ll wager there are few productions that are flawless from beginning to end. In any endeavor there are always unexpected difficulties and in one that is creative like a movie production, there are sure to be differences in opinion that flare into arguments. This I believe is what they refer to as ‘human nature’ and you can magnify it by 1000 when you’re talking about inflated Hollywood egos. Nevertheless, people behaving like people is somehow news.

Oh look, I’m actually, finally, coming to what originally inspired this ramble: The Incredible Hulk. It seems the big green man was already a sensitive subject among fanboys and girls, thanks to the stiff and involuntary rogering they’d recently suffered at the hands of the evil Ang Lee who’d had the nerve to try turning a beloved comic book into an enduring adult work of art (that he didn’t quite succeed is the subject of another post). When a new film was announced, fanboy knives remained unsheathed. Nothing good could possibly come from a sequel, could it?

Alas, the worst nerd fears seemed to be coming to fruition when it was revealed at last summer’s Comic Con that star Edward Norton had rewritten Zach Penn’s original Hulk script. The underlying assumption was that another uppity artiste was screwing the Hulk all over again. The film wasn’t even in the can yet and the project was hopelessly doomed.

This story would continue to circulate and expand as post-production continued. Last March Nikki Finke spun it into a ‘feud’ between Norton and Marvel over final cut of the film. Norton wanted more of the stuff he’d written, Marvel (wishing to distance the new Hulk as much as possible from the Lee failure) wanted less. Marvel won. This isn’t an especially noteworthy issue, but it provided fuel for the fire.

Most recently, there was a dispute when Norton asked to receive writer’s credit for the work he’d done on the script. He didn’t get it. Dubbing the film the “Incredible Sulk” in an errant stab at cleverness, alleged journalist Roger Friedman claimed that a pouty Norton refused to promote the film. However, the FOX News wag’s report was quickly proven inaccurate by the pesky facts of Norton actually, you know, promoting the film. The actor who has a reputation for being difficult even went so far as to record a funny, self-mocking video parody for Jimmy Kimmel.

In the interest of remaining “fair and balanced,” I’m not going to call Roger Friedman a liar, but he’s certainly a guy who seems to know a thing or two about the opposite of the truth.

Of course, in every one of these Hulk reports, the people involved (including Norton himself) did their best to set the record straight and to assure people that nothing was wrong. That’s their job and I admit it’s difficult to gauge facts from studio spin, but then a funny thing happened: the movie came out. It turns out it’s not only nothing close to the disaster everyone seemed to be hoping for, it also looks like it could make quite a lot of money. More importantly, none of the film’s flaws (and it is flawed) have anything to do with on set squabbles, creative differences or personality clashes. In the end, the Internet buzz had turned into an Old Media roar, but it was all just so much crying over milk that would never be spilt.

What is with these people who seem to take no real pleasure in movies, but who get their rocks off obsessing over the details and dramas of the productions? They’re the type who make reality TV so popular. In small doses, this is fine, but en masse, it’s a cancer.

Movies are magic and to carefully parse the construction of the illusion is to ruin the fun of the trick. It’s like looking behind the green curtain and seeing nothing but a helpless old man, or Christmas when you know what you’re getting before you open your presents - it’s a drag and I don’t want any part of it.

Everything I need to know about a movie is up there on the screen in the dark where it belongs. The rest is but the impotent mewling of people with too much time on their hands.

18 Responses to “Hulk Smash Puny Internet Rumors”

  1. I’m not going to call Roger Friedman a liar, but he’s certainly a guy who seems to know a thing or two about the opposite of the truth.

    Hahaha.

    Well-written article, Craig. I agree that there is too much parsing of the construction of movies. Audiences have lost their sense of the wonder and magic of movies. Add to that the obsession with box office predictions and results. Sad.

  2. Maybe we’re just old-fashioned Alison. But that’s ok. I kind of have a lot of nerver crying about the Internet since I’m writing in it, huh?

  3. Hey, I remember that fruit pie ad!

    I mean, no I don’t.

  4. Those fruit pies still scare me.

    What a great ad too. Hulk lay in a smoldering wounded heap on the ground after getting his green ass kicked and the only thing that heals him is a Hostess Fruit Pie!

  5. Great article, Craig. The whole backstory involving Norton is silly.

    That video with Kimmell is funny.

    Eh, maybe I’ll check this one out after all, since it’s at the massive Corte Madera Cinema, knocking Kung Fu Panda out… It’s got to be better than The Crappening.

  6. I don’t think you were dissing interest in the technical side of filmmaking, but I love to find out how the magician (or filmmaker) performs his trick. This, of course, comes after I’ve seen it performed at least once. There’s nothing wrong with finding out the answer to “how’d they do that?” (It’s a little disappointing these days, though, when the answer is invariably: CGI.)

    I agree about the obsession with box office and imagined on-set politics. Film is a business, but can’t we at least try to forget that every once in awhile?

  7. Oh, people haven’t lived until they can spoil your fun…

    SANCTUARY!!!!

    Anyway…

    “thanks to the stiff and involuntary rogering they got…”

    Um, that is wickedly vivid imagery.

    Couldn’t agree more. Cool, analytical and precise article as always, my little crabcake…

  8. Saw it last night and The Incredible Hulk stands shoulder to shoulder with Iron Man. If the mad scientists of Hollywood are experimenting on us with different formulas in this summer’s tentpoles, I think they’ve proven this hypothesis:

    Action Adventure Fantasies work better for audiences of all ages when the script encourages kids to feel grown up instead of making adults feel childish.

    Slick is a shallow substitute for sophisticated. Depth of characterization, sincerity of emotional involvement, intelligence of the dialogue — these are the elements that help sell any outlandishness of premise and plot.

    As for the comic-strip ad that tops your superb analysis, Craig, the Hulk accepts Billy and Cindy’s nutritional advice.

    DAYS SINCE LAST SOLID BOWEL MOVEMENT INCIDENT: 0

  9. Agree Ryan - HULK does fare well alongside IRON MAN. I would say that the casting/acting/character is better in IRON MAN (Robert Downey Jr. Is a showstopper, plain and simple), but that HULK has a better script (IRON MAN seemed to meander quite a bit, whereas HULK is straight forward and crystal clear in its pacing).

    And come on Craig… we all know that you watch “A Shot at Love With Tila Tequila” and “Flavor of Love” whenever you get a chance and you don’t think anyone is watching.

  10. I’m going to cash in whatever nerd chips I have left and say right now I liked the Lee Hulk better than the new one and that Speed Racer owns it and Iron Man in any category that means anything.

    There it is. Suck on it, haters.

    Hahahah…Tila Tequila. Truth be told, Amazing Race is the only Bruckheimer I allow in my house. I also like The Mole and Hell’s Kitchen. You can keep the rest though.

  11. Yeah, it would be awesome if we could keep the behind-the-scenes shenanigans and production stories to a minimum until after the movie screens, but there’s so much money and interest in gossiping about movies BEFORE they come out that it’s not going to change any time soon. Of course, I’d definitely argue that those stories and production histories do have value, as sometimes they can as illuminating as the films themselves. The history of Orson Wells’ or Terry Gilliam’s careers say almost as much about those artists as their films do.

    Let’s add this to the list along with the media allowing politicians to actually run a campaign rather than pondering pointless questions like the veracity of flag pins or what drugs a candidate may have done 15 years ago during college.

    It’s an excellent argument for letting the work speak for itself, Craig.

  12. I’m all for post-mortem analysis of what went right and what went wrong, but I take issue with the before-the-fact hand wringing about things that may or may not be accurate and may or may not actually have an impact on the final product.

  13. Not to be a green meanie, but I thought that Kimmel segment was terribly unfunny and obvious. I mean, isn’t the template for every single one of these comedy bits to have the actor reacting to some extreme situation in the same feigned outraged way? Christian Smash!

  14. It was 28% funnier than any of the lame in-jokes in the movie.

    Now if you’ll excuse me, I’ve got a hostess fruit pie to eat.

  15. Great feature article here, again inspired by this weekend’s hot super-hero!!

    Hostess pies are rarely seen in stores on the east coast anymore, now replaced by those Drakes’ pies that are little filling and all crust.

  16. I think the crust might be my favorite part.

  17. Pretty good article, but I gotta disagree when you say that the film’s flaws have nothing to do with the reported disputes. According to your review, the basic flaw is that there’s almost no character development or human emotion. Aren’t those the things that Norton’s disagreement over final cut with Marvel were about?

  18. Perhaps, but I don’t care to know those things in advance. I don’t wan’t to be sitting there watching the movie wondering what Norton and Marvel were arguing about.

    It’s not that production problems don’t have an impact on the film, it’s that I want experience the film in a kind of vacuum.

    As it stands I knew there was controversy of some kind, but I didn’t know the nature or extent of it until I saw the movie and decided to look into it more deeply.

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