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		<title>By: joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 20:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see what you&#039;re saying Craig, but I think establishment media can still do a good job. The New York Times may not be the paper it once was, but they&#039;ve managed to unearth some of the more shocking scandals within the Bush administration over the last 6 years. The LA Times isn&#039;t perfect either, but they&#039;re one of the only papers still operating offices around the world (although even that is slowly disappearing).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see what you&#8217;re saying Craig, but I think establishment media can still do a good job. The New York Times may not be the paper it once was, but they&#8217;ve managed to unearth some of the more shocking scandals within the Bush administration over the last 6 years. The LA Times isn&#8217;t perfect either, but they&#8217;re one of the only papers still operating offices around the world (although even that is slowly disappearing).</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Kennedy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 20:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is correct, Jeffmcm.</description>
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		<title>By: sartre</title>
		<link>http://livingincinema.com/2008/06/16/the-watercooler-61608/comment-page-2/#comment-14520</link>
		<dc:creator>sartre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 19:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On our recent travels we caught some of the television coverage of his passing (we don’t presently own a TV).  I don’t recall ever seeing him – never watched Meet the Press because we didn’t get it in my home country.  So I was surprised by the weight of gravitas expressed over his death across media outlets and politicians of different political leanings.  I looked for the cause of this esteem in excerpts from his interviews and I must say nothing stood out except for the solidness mentioned by some here.  I may well have thought more of his talents with greater exposure, as Sam does.  One thing seemed utterly clear to me though, whatever he was as a professional that might explain the media coverage he was clearly additionally someone with a very strong ability to connect at a personal everyday level with the people he worked with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On our recent travels we caught some of the television coverage of his passing (we don’t presently own a TV).  I don’t recall ever seeing him – never watched Meet the Press because we didn’t get it in my home country.  So I was surprised by the weight of gravitas expressed over his death across media outlets and politicians of different political leanings.  I looked for the cause of this esteem in excerpts from his interviews and I must say nothing stood out except for the solidness mentioned by some here.  I may well have thought more of his talents with greater exposure, as Sam does.  One thing seemed utterly clear to me though, whatever he was as a professional that might explain the media coverage he was clearly additionally someone with a very strong ability to connect at a personal everyday level with the people he worked with.</p>
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		<title>By: joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 19:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d give my bottom dollar to have it be different. Or my top dollar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d give my bottom dollar to have it be different. Or my top dollar.</p>
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		<title>By: jeffmcm</title>
		<link>http://livingincinema.com/2008/06/16/the-watercooler-61608/comment-page-2/#comment-14515</link>
		<dc:creator>jeffmcm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 19:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig, I think what you mean is that the media, by definition, should not be &#039;establishment&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig, I think what you mean is that the media, by definition, should not be &#8216;establishment&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Juliano</title>
		<link>http://livingincinema.com/2008/06/16/the-watercooler-61608/comment-page-2/#comment-14509</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Juliano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 18:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joel, that was a superlative assessment!!!!</description>
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		<title>By: Craig Kennedy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 18:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was responding to a chunk of Charlie Rose where Russert was talking about the immediate aftermath of 9/11 and it re-humanized it for me. That&#039;s all. 

Besides, the alternative media is inherently anti-establishment so it&#039;s not a stretch that they were the first ones to call bullshit on the whole thing.

The problem with the establishment media is the fact that it&#039;s the establishment media, if that makes any sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was responding to a chunk of Charlie Rose where Russert was talking about the immediate aftermath of 9/11 and it re-humanized it for me. That&#8217;s all. </p>
<p>Besides, the alternative media is inherently anti-establishment so it&#8217;s not a stretch that they were the first ones to call bullshit on the whole thing.</p>
<p>The problem with the establishment media is the fact that it&#8217;s the establishment media, if that makes any sense.</p>
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		<title>By: joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 18:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Russert was emblematic of a more old school approach, but his style of interviewing doesn&#039;t compare to the Murrows and Cronkites of the Golden age and it&#039;s unfair to make that comparison. He was swimming up-stream in an environment fundamentally not conducive to journalism.

Let&#039;s face it, corporate media and news organizations have been slowly sinking into the mire for over 20 years now. The firing of Dan Rather, the slow decline of nightly news, the decline of 60 Minutes, the rise of punditry, and the empowerment of politically-biased cable news shows that network TV is no place to get hard-hitting journalism or fair and balanced reporting.

I praise his efforts though. Russert was trying.

As for journalism post-9/11, I don&#039;t buy or accept your argument, Craig. There was the mainstream media, which laid down on the job, and there was alternative media that saw the problems coming early on and did their damnedest to point them out. Most Americans weren&#039;t listening. The fact that the rest of the world quickly saw through the tapestry of lies the Bush administration was weaving points out how pathetic the news media in the country has been in the last 6 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russert was emblematic of a more old school approach, but his style of interviewing doesn&#8217;t compare to the Murrows and Cronkites of the Golden age and it&#8217;s unfair to make that comparison. He was swimming up-stream in an environment fundamentally not conducive to journalism.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s face it, corporate media and news organizations have been slowly sinking into the mire for over 20 years now. The firing of Dan Rather, the slow decline of nightly news, the decline of 60 Minutes, the rise of punditry, and the empowerment of politically-biased cable news shows that network TV is no place to get hard-hitting journalism or fair and balanced reporting.</p>
<p>I praise his efforts though. Russert was trying.</p>
<p>As for journalism post-9/11, I don&#8217;t buy or accept your argument, Craig. There was the mainstream media, which laid down on the job, and there was alternative media that saw the problems coming early on and did their damnedest to point them out. Most Americans weren&#8217;t listening. The fact that the rest of the world quickly saw through the tapestry of lies the Bush administration was weaving points out how pathetic the news media in the country has been in the last 6 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Juliano</title>
		<link>http://livingincinema.com/2008/06/16/the-watercooler-61608/comment-page-1/#comment-14503</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Juliano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 17:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Outstanding analysis here, Craig,  methinks.</description>
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		<title>By: Craig Kennedy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 17:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I managed to avoid most of the Russert hagiographication...is that a word? Can I coin it?...over the weekend because that&#039;s just not how I roll, but I did catch a rerun of Friday&#039;s Charlie Rose that basically showed chunks of Russert&#039;s many visits. Russert in his own words if you will.

Particularly moving were his conversations about the book he wrote for his dad. He seemed a genuinely decent, honest and dedicated fellow in an industry of phonies.

Could he have been a tougher interviewer? Yes, but whoever they replace him with on MTP is sure to be a step down.

In retrospect, 9/11 hit the members of the media in the same way it hit most Americans. We were all mixed with feelings of patriotism and rage. In the months and even years afterward, giving the administration the benefit of a doubt seemed the right thing to do to a lot of people. It turns out this may be the critical error of my lifetime. Though it&#039;s easy now to be pissed off that the media didn&#039;t do better, and yes they most certainly should have, it&#039;s almost hard for me to lay blame.

Going forward is another story...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I managed to avoid most of the Russert hagiographication&#8230;is that a word? Can I coin it?&#8230;over the weekend because that&#8217;s just not how I roll, but I did catch a rerun of Friday&#8217;s Charlie Rose that basically showed chunks of Russert&#8217;s many visits. Russert in his own words if you will.</p>
<p>Particularly moving were his conversations about the book he wrote for his dad. He seemed a genuinely decent, honest and dedicated fellow in an industry of phonies.</p>
<p>Could he have been a tougher interviewer? Yes, but whoever they replace him with on MTP is sure to be a step down.</p>
<p>In retrospect, 9/11 hit the members of the media in the same way it hit most Americans. We were all mixed with feelings of patriotism and rage. In the months and even years afterward, giving the administration the benefit of a doubt seemed the right thing to do to a lot of people. It turns out this may be the critical error of my lifetime. Though it&#8217;s easy now to be pissed off that the media didn&#8217;t do better, and yes they most certainly should have, it&#8217;s almost hard for me to lay blame.</p>
<p>Going forward is another story&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Juliano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Juliano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 17:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Alexander and Christian for your more than reasonable feelings and words.  And I do agree Christian that the comparison with Faulkner and Kennedy was over-the-top.  I don&#039;t go that far myself.  But this just illustrates what some are thinking, right or wrong.  I can&#039;t say I expected this massive and unremiting outpouring, even understanding the love for the man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Alexander and Christian for your more than reasonable feelings and words.  And I do agree Christian that the comparison with Faulkner and Kennedy was over-the-top.  I don&#8217;t go that far myself.  But this just illustrates what some are thinking, right or wrong.  I can&#8217;t say I expected this massive and unremiting outpouring, even understanding the love for the man.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Derrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan Derrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Certainly funny, but a tad bit cynical and unfair.</description>
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		<title>By: Alexander Coleman</title>
		<link>http://livingincinema.com/2008/06/16/the-watercooler-61608/comment-page-1/#comment-14489</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexander Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually agree with you, Sam, as well as Christian, regarding Tim Russert. Russert seemed to be a very good fellow, and you have to admire his sticking to his roots, Catholic, Irish, Buffalo, his father, etceteras. He was both a good standard bearer for interviewers on television in general, with his &quot;civil confrontational&quot; approach as numerous people on TV have said since his passing. In any event, I&#039;m genuinely sad to see him go, particularly at such a young age (58, incredible and quite sad) and especially since his presence was one to which I looked forward every week, whether I liked the interview or not (usually thought they were either good or all right). Thanks for your very kind thoughts about Russert, with which I predominantly agree.

Wow, Peter Bradshaw has a sense of humor! Funny, Sam, thanks for sharing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually agree with you, Sam, as well as Christian, regarding Tim Russert. Russert seemed to be a very good fellow, and you have to admire his sticking to his roots, Catholic, Irish, Buffalo, his father, etceteras. He was both a good standard bearer for interviewers on television in general, with his &#8220;civil confrontational&#8221; approach as numerous people on TV have said since his passing. In any event, I&#8217;m genuinely sad to see him go, particularly at such a young age (58, incredible and quite sad) and especially since his presence was one to which I looked forward every week, whether I liked the interview or not (usually thought they were either good or all right). Thanks for your very kind thoughts about Russert, with which I predominantly agree.</p>
<p>Wow, Peter Bradshaw has a sense of humor! Funny, Sam, thanks for sharing.</p>
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		<title>By: christian</title>
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		<dc:creator>christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Sam, I do applaud your tribute to Russert.

I&#039;ve been watching MTP for most of my life, but never got that Russert was standing one with giants. I just never saw that. He was certainly smarter and calmer than most of the blabberheads on today. But putting him with Faulkner and Kennedy seems hypberbolic. Of course, I lost all respect for our MSM press between 2000-2003 when I saw they were willing to get tough and real with everybody but to those they should have been. I&#039;m sure Russert was beloved, but meanwhile Iowa is underwater and we have a criminal administration still in unchecked power. I think all these hours of air-time to Russert would have made him uncomfortable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Sam, I do applaud your tribute to Russert.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been watching MTP for most of my life, but never got that Russert was standing one with giants. I just never saw that. He was certainly smarter and calmer than most of the blabberheads on today. But putting him with Faulkner and Kennedy seems hypberbolic. Of course, I lost all respect for our MSM press between 2000-2003 when I saw they were willing to get tough and real with everybody but to those they should have been. I&#8217;m sure Russert was beloved, but meanwhile Iowa is underwater and we have a criminal administration still in unchecked power. I think all these hours of air-time to Russert would have made him uncomfortable.</p>
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		<title>By: joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 15:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh heh...that&#039;s kinda funny.</description>
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		<title>By: Sam Juliano</title>
		<link>http://livingincinema.com/2008/06/16/the-watercooler-61608/comment-page-1/#comment-14480</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Juliano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 14:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I strongly urge all the film critics of LIC to check out a review by the British scribe Peter Bradshaw in the Friday, June 13, 2008 edition of THE GUARDIAN.  It does raise the bar for originality, and for hysteria!  Bradshaw has outdone himself with his review of THE INCREDIBLE HULK. (Bradshaw hated the film!)  I print below his first and last paragraphs of his review, written with Hulkish reverie:

    First paragraph:

    &quot;Hulk.  Smash!&quot;  Yes.  Hulk.  Smash.  Yes.  Smash.  Big Hulk smash.  Smaash cars.  Buildings.  Army tanks.  Hulk not smash.  Hulk also go rarrr!  Then smash again.  Smash important, obviously.  Smash Hulk&#039;s USP.  What Hulk smash most?  Hulk smash all hope of interesting time in cinema.  Hulk take all effort of cinema, effort getting babysitter, effort finding parking, and Hulk put green fist right through it.  Hulk crush all hopes of entertainment.  Hulk in boring film.  Film co-written by star.  Edward Norton.  Norton in it!  Norton write it.  Norton not need gamma-radiation poisoning to get big head.  Thing is: Hulk head weirdly small.  Compared with rest of big green body.

    and the last paragraph:

    &quot;Critic remember Ang Lee version.  Ang Lee version slagged off.  Yet rubbish new Hulk film make that look like Citizen Kane.  Critic exit cinema miffed.  Film take away two hours of critic&#039;s life.  Critic not get time back.  Ever.  Rarrrrr.&quot;

          Bravo, Peter Bradshaw!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I strongly urge all the film critics of LIC to check out a review by the British scribe Peter Bradshaw in the Friday, June 13, 2008 edition of THE GUARDIAN.  It does raise the bar for originality, and for hysteria!  Bradshaw has outdone himself with his review of THE INCREDIBLE HULK. (Bradshaw hated the film!)  I print below his first and last paragraphs of his review, written with Hulkish reverie:</p>
<p>    First paragraph:</p>
<p>    &#8220;Hulk.  Smash!&#8221;  Yes.  Hulk.  Smash.  Yes.  Smash.  Big Hulk smash.  Smaash cars.  Buildings.  Army tanks.  Hulk not smash.  Hulk also go rarrr!  Then smash again.  Smash important, obviously.  Smash Hulk&#8217;s USP.  What Hulk smash most?  Hulk smash all hope of interesting time in cinema.  Hulk take all effort of cinema, effort getting babysitter, effort finding parking, and Hulk put green fist right through it.  Hulk crush all hopes of entertainment.  Hulk in boring film.  Film co-written by star.  Edward Norton.  Norton in it!  Norton write it.  Norton not need gamma-radiation poisoning to get big head.  Thing is: Hulk head weirdly small.  Compared with rest of big green body.</p>
<p>    and the last paragraph:</p>
<p>    &#8220;Critic remember Ang Lee version.  Ang Lee version slagged off.  Yet rubbish new Hulk film make that look like Citizen Kane.  Critic exit cinema miffed.  Film take away two hours of critic&#8217;s life.  Critic not get time back.  Ever.  Rarrrrr.&#8221;</p>
<p>          Bravo, Peter Bradshaw!</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Juliano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Juliano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 13:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alexander, with all due respect (and I must say I greatly enjoy and admire all your submissions on this site, including this last one and usually agree with you) my position on Tim Russert&#039;s passing was forged irrespective of his political slants or his uneven harshness.  Truth be said I consider myself a left wing liberal, an admirer of Dennis Kucinich, and a fervant supporter of Barack Obama.  I would have every reason to evince the sentiments that you and Christian are now vociferating, but I am looking at the larger picture with Russert.  
    You and a few others here have stated that he has done a &quot;decent&quot; job on Meet The Press; here is where my opinion diverges.  He has done an &quot;extraordinary&quot; job for 17 years, turning this news show into an iconic enterprise for so many people on all sides of the political spectrum.  Republicans, Democrats and Independents nationwide are all mourning his passing with equal intensity.  One elderly independent said yesterday that he only cried three times over his life for people with celebrity status: first for the death of William Faulkner, then after JFK&#039;s assassination, and now for Russert.  Whatever leanings he had and whatever injustices he may have perpetuated, I think we can safely say that this is par for this terrain.  We do need I think to go beyond this and look at the man and what he has done and what he has meant to newscasting, politics and the American market.  His influence, inimitable style, compassinate, down-to-earth delivery all informed with superlative backround and education and his Catholic upbringing and sunsequent beliefs have made him a person that millions have made him an institution.  We mourn Tim Russert for his extraordinary human qualities, we mourn him for his centerpiece role in a show that afforded Americans fascinating insights into so many political figures and of the entire political process, we mourn him because he came off as one of us, bringing flight to our dreams and aspirations, and showing all of us the true meaning of dignity in a public forum.  We mourn Tim Russert beacuse he was taking from us far too soon, leaving behind the father he worshipped, (and wrote so eloquently about) the son he adored, the co-workers who revered him, and all Americans who counted him an an integral part of their lives.
     That&#039;s really what it all is about here.
  
      As Marc Anthony intones at the funeral of Julius Caesar: &quot;Now here was a Caesar.  When comes another.&quot; (paraphrased)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alexander, with all due respect (and I must say I greatly enjoy and admire all your submissions on this site, including this last one and usually agree with you) my position on Tim Russert&#8217;s passing was forged irrespective of his political slants or his uneven harshness.  Truth be said I consider myself a left wing liberal, an admirer of Dennis Kucinich, and a fervant supporter of Barack Obama.  I would have every reason to evince the sentiments that you and Christian are now vociferating, but I am looking at the larger picture with Russert.<br />
    You and a few others here have stated that he has done a &#8220;decent&#8221; job on Meet The Press; here is where my opinion diverges.  He has done an &#8220;extraordinary&#8221; job for 17 years, turning this news show into an iconic enterprise for so many people on all sides of the political spectrum.  Republicans, Democrats and Independents nationwide are all mourning his passing with equal intensity.  One elderly independent said yesterday that he only cried three times over his life for people with celebrity status: first for the death of William Faulkner, then after JFK&#8217;s assassination, and now for Russert.  Whatever leanings he had and whatever injustices he may have perpetuated, I think we can safely say that this is par for this terrain.  We do need I think to go beyond this and look at the man and what he has done and what he has meant to newscasting, politics and the American market.  His influence, inimitable style, compassinate, down-to-earth delivery all informed with superlative backround and education and his Catholic upbringing and sunsequent beliefs have made him a person that millions have made him an institution.  We mourn Tim Russert for his extraordinary human qualities, we mourn him for his centerpiece role in a show that afforded Americans fascinating insights into so many political figures and of the entire political process, we mourn him because he came off as one of us, bringing flight to our dreams and aspirations, and showing all of us the true meaning of dignity in a public forum.  We mourn Tim Russert beacuse he was taking from us far too soon, leaving behind the father he worshipped, (and wrote so eloquently about) the son he adored, the co-workers who revered him, and all Americans who counted him an an integral part of their lives.<br />
     That&#8217;s really what it all is about here.</p>
<p>      As Marc Anthony intones at the funeral of Julius Caesar: &#8220;Now here was a Caesar.  When comes another.&#8221; (paraphrased)</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander Coleman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexander Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 04:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To me, Russert was lionized in life and now almost sanctified in death largely because he did a decent job of what media interviewers are supposed to do, which is ask tough questions to both sides (or parties, as it were). That said, a sizable portion of my own thinking alligns with Christian&#039;s. He was excessively rough with &quot;outsider&quot; candidates, such as Dennis Kucinich, Ron Paul and Ralph Nader, among others, while generally being somewhat hands-off with people deemed to be untouchable. His interviews of George W. Bush and Barack Obama are significantly different.

Anyway, a very light weekend for movies for me. Going back to Thursday, I saw Kung Fu Panda, which unlike Joel and like many others I thoroughly enjoyed, even if I don&#039;t think it&#039;s the greatest animated thing since Fantasia. Hoffman&#039;s the unsung hero; Jack Black&#039;s just fine. I agree with Joel to an extent that the message was kind of muddled--use food to train the big fat dummy in the ways of kung fu!--but I think it&#039;s fair to say this was a fairly huge step &quot;up&quot; for DreamWorks animation.

Friday night I saw Shyamalan&#039;s worst movie, and the worst film I&#039;ve seen all year, including Rambo and Funny Games version 2.0, The Happening. As I said before, at least Lady in the Water had an endearing performance by Paul Giamatti. Every performance in Shyamalan&#039;s newest is horrible. I&#039;m no Shyamalan-hater--I think, to varying degrees, The Sixth Sense, Unbreakable and Signs are all successes on their own terms and The Village has some &lt;i&gt;sense&lt;/i&gt; of what is and there are definitely &lt;i&gt;signs&lt;/i&gt; that it could have been something of a terrific movie (some pieces were there)--okay, I&#039;ll stop doing, aha...

The acting in Clone Wars looks less wooden than the prequels, Craig, so there&#039;s that.

Sunday, I saw an A&#039;s-Giants game with my dad and started to get a sunburn... Finished that sunburn off with a truly wicked sunburn today playing tennis for a few hours. A feather touching me would hurt like hell right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me, Russert was lionized in life and now almost sanctified in death largely because he did a decent job of what media interviewers are supposed to do, which is ask tough questions to both sides (or parties, as it were). That said, a sizable portion of my own thinking alligns with Christian&#8217;s. He was excessively rough with &#8220;outsider&#8221; candidates, such as Dennis Kucinich, Ron Paul and Ralph Nader, among others, while generally being somewhat hands-off with people deemed to be untouchable. His interviews of George W. Bush and Barack Obama are significantly different.</p>
<p>Anyway, a very light weekend for movies for me. Going back to Thursday, I saw Kung Fu Panda, which unlike Joel and like many others I thoroughly enjoyed, even if I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s the greatest animated thing since Fantasia. Hoffman&#8217;s the unsung hero; Jack Black&#8217;s just fine. I agree with Joel to an extent that the message was kind of muddled&#8211;use food to train the big fat dummy in the ways of kung fu!&#8211;but I think it&#8217;s fair to say this was a fairly huge step &#8220;up&#8221; for DreamWorks animation.</p>
<p>Friday night I saw Shyamalan&#8217;s worst movie, and the worst film I&#8217;ve seen all year, including Rambo and Funny Games version 2.0, The Happening. As I said before, at least Lady in the Water had an endearing performance by Paul Giamatti. Every performance in Shyamalan&#8217;s newest is horrible. I&#8217;m no Shyamalan-hater&#8211;I think, to varying degrees, The Sixth Sense, Unbreakable and Signs are all successes on their own terms and The Village has some <i>sense</i> of what is and there are definitely <i>signs</i> that it could have been something of a terrific movie (some pieces were there)&#8211;okay, I&#8217;ll stop doing, aha&#8230;</p>
<p>The acting in Clone Wars looks less wooden than the prequels, Craig, so there&#8217;s that.</p>
<p>Sunday, I saw an A&#8217;s-Giants game with my dad and started to get a sunburn&#8230; Finished that sunburn off with a truly wicked sunburn today playing tennis for a few hours. A feather touching me would hurt like hell right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Alison Flynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alison Flynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 02:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He was indeed young, Sam, especially considering the expected life-span for a good majority of people today.</description>
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		<title>By: Sam Juliano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Juliano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 01:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christian:  Russert&#039;s purpose was to serve as a kind of mainstream moderator, even if we know he was a card-carrying Democrat.  He was not encouraged nor inclined to cross the line, even if some of his tactics (as you correctly note with Kucinich) caused political harm.
    He was the chair of Meet The Press since 1991, and he was surely an icon in his field, in large measure because of his broadmindedness, integrity and homespun, down-to-earth style.  I am not so sure that the genuine outpouring of grief at his untimely passing can be dismissed as corporate excess, nor is the reaction some kind of &quot;overeulogizing.&quot;
    Russert was beloved by his workers for his extraordinary qualities as a human being.  He leaves behind a formidable legacy.  He died at 58 years old.  That in itself is reason to grieve excessively.
   I have seen people grieve actors who die young who didn&#039;t posess one-tenth of Russert&#039;s charm, warmth, personality and generosity.  
   The reaction to his death is genuine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christian:  Russert&#8217;s purpose was to serve as a kind of mainstream moderator, even if we know he was a card-carrying Democrat.  He was not encouraged nor inclined to cross the line, even if some of his tactics (as you correctly note with Kucinich) caused political harm.<br />
    He was the chair of Meet The Press since 1991, and he was surely an icon in his field, in large measure because of his broadmindedness, integrity and homespun, down-to-earth style.  I am not so sure that the genuine outpouring of grief at his untimely passing can be dismissed as corporate excess, nor is the reaction some kind of &#8220;overeulogizing.&#8221;<br />
    Russert was beloved by his workers for his extraordinary qualities as a human being.  He leaves behind a formidable legacy.  He died at 58 years old.  That in itself is reason to grieve excessively.<br />
   I have seen people grieve actors who die young who didn&#8217;t posess one-tenth of Russert&#8217;s charm, warmth, personality and generosity.<br />
   The reaction to his death is genuine.</p>
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		<title>By: Alison Flynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alison Flynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 00:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;...though I would argue that he was among the better of a weak bunch.&quot; &lt;/i&gt;

True. The journalists who do ask the questions, who are willing to grill the people that need it and do follow up aren&#039;t in the mainstream corporate media. They&#039;re on the Internet and publishing independently, and their sites get hacked all the time by the powers-that-be attempting to put a stop to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;&#8230;though I would argue that he was among the better of a weak bunch.&#8221; </i></p>
<p>True. The journalists who do ask the questions, who are willing to grill the people that need it and do follow up aren&#8217;t in the mainstream corporate media. They&#8217;re on the Internet and publishing independently, and their sites get hacked all the time by the powers-that-be attempting to put a stop to them.</p>
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		<title>By: joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 23:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It looks better than any of the prequels did, action-wise. I&#039;m not planning on seeing it, but the theater I was in was SILENT during that one, and the second it ended you could hear kids all over the room asking their parents about it. Kinda cool, actually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks better than any of the prequels did, action-wise. I&#8217;m not planning on seeing it, but the theater I was in was SILENT during that one, and the second it ended you could hear kids all over the room asking their parents about it. Kinda cool, actually.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Kennedy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 23:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, saw a trailer for the new Hunter S. Thompson doc Gonzo. Looks fantastic as I believe Mr. Nick Plowman has already said.

Finally, how do current or former Star Wars fans feel about the trailer for Clone Wars they keep playing? The kid in me is enthused, but the adult who makes the purchasing decisions has been burned once too often.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, saw a trailer for the new Hunter S. Thompson doc Gonzo. Looks fantastic as I believe Mr. Nick Plowman has already said.</p>
<p>Finally, how do current or former Star Wars fans feel about the trailer for Clone Wars they keep playing? The kid in me is enthused, but the adult who makes the purchasing decisions has been burned once too often.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Kennedy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 23:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wall-E carries about 75% of my hope for the remainder of summer with Dark Knight holding the other 25%.

As for Mr. Russert, as a representative of the corporate media, he deserves his share of the blame, though I would argue he was among the better of a weak bunch. In his position he had the opportunity to do far more, but  he could&#039;ve been worse...like Stephanopoulis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wall-E carries about 75% of my hope for the remainder of summer with Dark Knight holding the other 25%.</p>
<p>As for Mr. Russert, as a representative of the corporate media, he deserves his share of the blame, though I would argue he was among the better of a weak bunch. In his position he had the opportunity to do far more, but  he could&#8217;ve been worse&#8230;like Stephanopoulis.</p>
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		<title>By: christian</title>
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		<dc:creator>christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 23:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WALL*E!!</description>
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		<title>By: jeffmcm</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeffmcm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 22:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was at a wedding this weekend, so I&#039;m incredibly behind on my movie-going, but I am very intriged by The Happening. If nothing else, Shyamalan seems to deserve credit for sticking to his personal vision/auteurist guns in a time when he must be facing huge pressure to make films that aren&#039;t as weird or idiosyncratic. If The Happening is as &#039;bad&#039; as it sounds I might actually like it in spite of himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was at a wedding this weekend, so I&#8217;m incredibly behind on my movie-going, but I am very intriged by The Happening. If nothing else, Shyamalan seems to deserve credit for sticking to his personal vision/auteurist guns in a time when he must be facing huge pressure to make films that aren&#8217;t as weird or idiosyncratic. If The Happening is as &#8216;bad&#8217; as it sounds I might actually like it in spite of himself.</p>
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		<title>By: K. Bowen</title>
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		<dc:creator>K. Bowen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 21:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing about Shyamalan is that he&#039;s in a sort of death spiral with regard to the acting. His most successful films, by which I mean The SIxth Sense and Unbreakable, strongly depends on a lot of line recovery. As his box office returns go down some, he&#039;ll have less choice in actors, As he has less choice in actors, the quality of the line recovery will decline. The acting and dialogue will seem worse and worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing about Shyamalan is that he&#8217;s in a sort of death spiral with regard to the acting. His most successful films, by which I mean The SIxth Sense and Unbreakable, strongly depends on a lot of line recovery. As his box office returns go down some, he&#8217;ll have less choice in actors, As he has less choice in actors, the quality of the line recovery will decline. The acting and dialogue will seem worse and worse.</p>
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		<title>By: K. Bowen</title>
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		<dc:creator>K. Bowen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 21:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No problem, Sam (or Matt). Obviously we disagree, but that&#039;s the point of caring deeply about movies.</description>
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		<title>By: christian</title>
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		<dc:creator>christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 21:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam, I&#039;ve waited a few days before saying anything, and I always offer sympathy to those passing, but the Russert Fest on MSNBC has been disturbing and revealing. 

I never saw Russert as anything other than a respected Washington MSM insider and all that implies. He never grilled Cheney or the admin on the Iraq War, always failed to follow-up. His &quot;gotcha&quot; style would have been better served with Cheney, not asking Kucinich a UFO question in a clear attempt to torpedo his campaign.

The HOURS spent over-eulogizing Russert reveals the incestuous relationship the media has with itself. Imagine if those hours had been used on stories about the rush to war or the Pentagon admitting it used places like MTP to pimp war lies.

I&#039;m not dancing on Russert&#039;s grave, but this is a time for contemplation of how our democracy has been ill-used by corporate news deciders. 

As for SKIDOOsh, well...come on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam, I&#8217;ve waited a few days before saying anything, and I always offer sympathy to those passing, but the Russert Fest on MSNBC has been disturbing and revealing. </p>
<p>I never saw Russert as anything other than a respected Washington MSM insider and all that implies. He never grilled Cheney or the admin on the Iraq War, always failed to follow-up. His &#8220;gotcha&#8221; style would have been better served with Cheney, not asking Kucinich a UFO question in a clear attempt to torpedo his campaign.</p>
<p>The HOURS spent over-eulogizing Russert reveals the incestuous relationship the media has with itself. Imagine if those hours had been used on stories about the rush to war or the Pentagon admitting it used places like MTP to pimp war lies.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not dancing on Russert&#8217;s grave, but this is a time for contemplation of how our democracy has been ill-used by corporate news deciders. </p>
<p>As for SKIDOOsh, well&#8230;come on.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Juliano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Juliano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 20:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL Craig!!!!!!!</description>
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