Seven days in the making…it’s the Weekend Forecast. Here’s where I just get out of the way for the big one.

In bat-theaters everywhere:

  • The Dark Knight. In order for this movie to live up to the hype, it’s going to have to buy me dinner and give me a lap dance, but not necessarily in that order. I’m just saying. Is the hype real or imagined? Has the film reached a level of excitement where it starts feeding itself and people start snapping up tickets because they’re convinced it’s going to be the thing to talk about? Ask me again on Monday.
  • Mamma Mia! Here I go again. My my, how can I resist you? Mamma mia, does it show again? My my, just how much I’ve missed you. Yes, I’ve been brokenhearted; blue since the day we parted. Why, why did I ever let you go? Mamma mia, now I really know. My my, I could never let you go.
    You know, sometimes it’s tough not being the target audience for a movie, but I think I’ll manage.
  • Space Chimps. I often joke that a movie would be better if they added monkeys with laser rifles and jet packs. Methinks the joke has finally come to haunt me. 10-1 it isn’t true. If you’re 5 1/2 or you’ve recently sustained severe head trauma, this could be the movie for you this weekend.

In theaters here and there:

  • A Very British Gangster. Documentary about gangster Dominic Noonan as told by Donal MacIntyre, a journalist who went all Donnie Brasco for a year among England’s criminal element.
  • Felon. This prison drama stars Stephen Dorff, Val Kilmer, Sam Shephard and Harold Perrineau. Dorff is convicted of killing a man while defending his family and gets sent to prison where the guards are worse than the prisoners. Val Kilmer plays his cellmate.
  • Lou Reed’s Berlin. Lou Reed gives live performances of his 1973 concept album Berlin. Julian Schnabel (The Diving Bell and the Butterfly, Before Night Falls) films it over the course of five nights at Brooklyn’s St. Ann’s Warehouse. Et voilà: Lou Reed’s Berlin.

In New York theaters:

  • A Man Named Pearl (LA 7/25). I was so jazzed for this movie about the hedge trimmer, I blurbed it last week. Changing the world one bush at a time, I shit you not.
  • Before I Forget. So, you’re an aging gay gigolo on a downward spiral. The wealthy man who has supported you for 30 years dies and his family disputes your inheritance. You’re poor, lonely and you have HIV. Ladies and gentlemen, I present The Feel Good Movie of the Summer.
  • The Doorman. Those of you who’ve ever gotten turned away at the door of a hip urban club may enjoy this comedy. Or you might not. You know, the hardest part of the Weekend Forecast is coming up with original blurbs about movies I have no interest in whatsoever. I know, life is rough all over, right?
  • Mad Detective. Co-directed by Johnny To (Fulltime Killer) and Wai Ka-fai (Running on Karma), this Hong Kong crime thriller is about a crazy ex-cop who teams up with a rookie to track down a serial killer.
  • Take. (LA 7/25) Minnie Driver. Jeremy Renner. She’s driving out to see him executed. Find out how their paths crossed and where their lives went from there. Or don’t. Yeah, don’t. Nevermind.
  • Transsiberian. Here we have an R-rated thriller from Brad Anderson (The Machinist) starring Woody Harrelson and Emily Mortimer as a couple taking the scenic route aboard the Trans-Siberian Express on their way back from a trip to Asia. They meet another friendly couple from the West who turn out to be not so friendly. Terror ensues. Ben Kinsgley also stars as a Russian policeman.

In Los Angeles theaters:

  • Roman Polanski: Wanted and Desired. The controversial documentary that opened in New York last week comes to the City of Angels.

139 Responses to “Weekend Forecast: 7/18/08”

  1. Sooner or later, one of these movies is going open at #1:

    I know it’s a complete joke, but it just hit home for me that at least a small group of people must consider it “The Greatest Motion Picture Ever Made.”

  2. Well, I gave TDK an 8/10 on Imdb. I would love to see it again though, it opens in SA on the 25th of July.

  3. “in addition to your name being a tribute to your beloved cat I thought you were also paying homage to e.e. cummings.”

    Not consciously Alison, but I love the idea I may have been doing so without knowing it. In fact, I’m going to claim the possibility in the future :-)

    Cummings is one of my favorite poets – his verse played an important role in the courtship of my wife, and as such has a special place in my heart.

  4. The difference Nick is that you’ve seen the movie. Most of those IMDB voters probably hadn’t.

  5. That’s what so dumb about the rating system there, but watevs right, like anyone pays attention to it. Well, positive attention anyway.

    I don’t understand how people can vote for a movie they haven’t seen…its like they’re almost forcing themselves to like it, which defeats the whole purpose or something. This world is messed up, and it is lame that it took the IMDb rating system for me to figure that out.

  6. For some people, movie fandom is like a club and they want their club to be perceived as the coolest in town. Just ask David Edelstein.

  7. This is a good situation to point out that when Roger Ebert dislikes a popular movie, he brushes off the criticism with grace and wit, and when Edelstein does the same thing, he freaks out and becomes defensive and annoying.

  8. Edelstein being a cry baby doesn’t take away any of the lameness of people who insult him and threaten him over a review, though.

    But yeah, your point is well taken.

  9. True, but who cares about them in the first place? Never let them see you sweat should be the motto.

  10. I’m just trying to have my cake and eat it too. Fanboys are lame and Edelstein is lame.

  11. Well yeah, win-win for us.

  12. Fastest 2-1/2 hour film in a long time. Never had a chance to check my watch, and never wanted to, either. Few critics seem to have communicated just how action-packed this thing is. It’s tight and it (admirably) doesn’t come up for air. At the same time, it’s a film that completely immerses the audience into its world. You don’t question anything because, for one, it’s all happening so fast, and for another, it’s all so compelling and convincing.

    K. Bowen, I saw you somewhere (perhaps it was H-E) compare The Dark Knight to Dirty Harry. Totally agree with you. It really is about a rogue (Harry/Batman) confronting a guy who’s holding an entire city hostage.

    Even more than Batman Begins, this film is diving, headfirst, into a true plethora of very complex and deep themes–but unlike Begins that could be almost too talky and perhaps a tad lethargic in places, The Dark Knight, despite its longer running time, is trim, toned and tense.

    The very ending recalls The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance.

    Ledger is brilliant as the force of nature; the “pencil” trick made the entire crowd go crazy, wince and cry out with glee. Eckhart threatens to steal the show: his is the “spinal cord” of the film, and without it, the film wouldn’t work like it does. Oldman’s awesome. The entire ensemble is tops.

    The entire atmosphere was like a rock concert; got to the IMAX theatre 2-1/2 hours early, was fifth in line, got in, sat exactly where I wanted to… And the crowd was 110% into it throughout. There was a stunt with a circus truck that received a ten-second standing O.

    But, I’ll have to think about it a lot more. I feel walloped.

  13. You think you’re walloped, Alexander? At least you can verbalize. My head feels like the Coinstar at Kroger’s trying to process a 12-yr-old’s lifetime savings of pennies, nickles and dimes.

    I might be able to muster up an insult for David Edelstein, though.

    “Pretentious” is tougher to counter. Professional critics, at least good ones, are by definition pretentious, since they value their opinions enough to proclaim them loudly.”

    Speaking of loudly, you know we can hear you say that out loud, right David? Either Edelstein doesn’t own a dictionary or he’s proudly unapologetic for his “affected, unwarranted, or exaggerated importance, worth, or stature.”

    Funny, most of us at LiC are critics — and good ones — and somehow we manage to write without being pretentious.

    (um, except for that sentence right there… d’oh!)

    you know, so Edelstein didn’t like the movie. Who the fuck cares? His shitty little review doesn’t bother me half as much as his boring-ass defense of it. I don’t read critics to find out what’s good or bad. For that I turn to this thing I like to call, “a brain of my own.”

    Now excuse me while I revert to my bedazzled TDK trance.

  14. Great stuff there Ryan and Alexander!!!!!

    Just got back from seeing it along with Mama Mia! and Sace Chimps in an unusual three-film multiplex marathon with the family.

    THE DARK KNIGHT was perverse, propulsive and pulsating, and it wasn’t too far from being a perfect superhero movie. On Craig’s 1 to 5 scale it gets either a 4 or a 4 1/2, I must think more on it. My young kids were completely mesmerized by it, and the adults in our group were blown away. Ledger’s performance is one for the ages. I don’t generally care for this entire genre, but this is the greatest of all of them.

    I will have more to say on The Watercooler.

  15. A three-film marathon with kids?

    You’re insane and dragging them along with you!

  16. Wow, Sam, you are truly an American hero. Your work in consistently exposing your family to different types of film is quite admirable. Might be time for a documentary about Juliano family, truly “Living in Cinema”…

    Or maybe a blog published by the kids?

    I agree with your TDK take an look forward to more of your thoughts on all three of those.

  17. I honestly can’t see how this movie got bad reviews. I’m trying and I can’t. This movie has more depth and bigger themes than most Oscar nominees for Best Picture. I’m not saying it’s perfect or an instant classic or necessarily a masterpiece, but man it was pretty impressive.

    Any time the Fucking Batman is the supporting character in his own movie and it doesn’t harm the film, you’ve got something amazing happening.

    Some might rank this as spoiler territory, so consider the next paragraph spoilery…kinda.

    I didn’t expect The Dark Knight to be The Dark Night, but indeed it was. The better nature of an entire society called into question, morally challenged, and pushed to the limit by the corrupting motivator of terror and fear? A good man fallen to the depths of immorality by his own anger, pain, and need for misplaced vengeance? The righteous man corrupts his technological power to invade the privacy of the citizenry to capture a villain?

    Wow, kinda heavy. Someone earlier said the Dark Knight is so dark it makes Empire Strikes Back look like Return of the Jedi. More like it makes the darkness of Empire comparable to Benji.

    My mind, it be blown.

  18. Ditto.

    Joel, I’ve been thinking the same thing–Nolan had his cake and ate it, too, regarding the ensemble crime epic and the Bruce Wayne/Batman character study continuation. That alone is a wonderment.

    Great thoughts, by the way.

  19. “This movie has more depth and bigger themes than most Oscar nominees for Best Picture.”

    I’m saying a minimum of 5 Oscar noms and possibly as many as 8 or 9. And I said it on the main page at AD, 20 minutes ago.

    “Sometimes people deserve to have their fucking faith rewarded.”

    I’ll probably catch a lot of flak and ridicule, so you guys can drop by to watch the crucifixion. This time of night, comments dwindle, so we can have a last supper nightcap or something.

  20. Joel: you and I reached the same conclusion – The Dark Knight looks to me like a pun – “The Dark Night.” Describes the mood, and feels like a film noir title.

    LIke Alexander mentioned, i see a lot of Dirty Harry in this. It asks the same basic questions about the nature of heroism and the lengths that a civilized society can go in fighting the most difficult threats. Heck, ithey even both start with criminals looking down from rooftops. But my gut is that TDK goes much further in thinking about this.

    And AC’s mention of Liberty Valance is right. Totally escaped my notice.

    Oh, and about Oscar, after the ratings disaster of last year, they’d be fools not to give this a Best Pic nod.

  21. Dan: I am flatettered that you dedicated your entire post there to me, (and suggest that doc! LOL!) and its true that we were “living in cinema” yesterday, but popcorn just doesn’t cut it for 7 hours. Jeff hit the nail on the head–it is insanity no matter how you look at it. Lucille was spent though by the end and she insisted on a nearby Diner for respite. LOL!

    This will be a big week at AD for Ryan, and now he has the evidence of passion to proceed forward. We will all be there to corroborate his exclamatory rhetoric!

    Joel’s fourth paragraph there really consolidates everything most eloquently in analytical terms. Love it.

    K. Bowen, I do believe this may well be the first superhero movie to get that nod. It has so much going for it.

  22. I guess it’s clear I’m enjoying the hell out of this topic, since I helped put it to bed last night and here I am again waking it up the next morning. I’m going to pretend the “no box office” policy at LiC has been suspended while the monkeys forgot to turn the electric fence back on when they changed shifts at 6 a.m.

    Anyway, even though it’s still irrelevant, the numbers are huge enough to make their very irrelevance notable. (Search in vain for logic in that sentence. It’s only meant to keep the monkeys disoriented a few moments longer while they chatter the monkey equivalents of wtf, stfu and gtfo.)

    Early this morning reports began to stream in saying that The Dark Knight has, in fact, added another record in its first 24 hours of release, bringing in between $60 and $63 million on Friday — the largest single day opening gross. This surpasses the mark set by Spider-Man 3, which took in $59.8 million on its way to the $151.1 million record setting opening weekend last May.

    Daniel, you say,“I’m pretty familiar with Chicago so it was odd trying to see it as Gotham…”

    Too true, it is odd, but worked seamlessly for me. I lived in Chicago for a couple of years, and was lucky enough for a while to have a place only 6 or 7 blocks from the Michigan Ave crossing at the Chicago River. Unlike NYC, Chicago does sleep, and while it did I would roam the streets and always got off on the apocalyptic desolation of the cavernous streets in predawn hours. Just a short walk away from Lower Wacker Drive — the kind of area that would be dangerous derelict territory in Manhattan, I really used to love the feeling that there was an alternate Chicago universe just below the surface, open to anybody who stumbled across the entrances. (I always wondered if this is one of the reasons Roger Ebert so adores Dark City).

    So for me, seeing Chi subtly transformed in Batman Begins and become even more strikingly evocative of my former nighttime daydreams in The Dark Knight was a thrilling frisson of what I used to imagine went on just under our feet. (with an assist from ganja and amplified by a youthful invincibility that helped to convince me those dark underground wandering were safer than they probably were.)

    I’m curious what you mean by “awesome final frame,” Daniel — we didn’t stick around to the very end of the credits. Don’t tell me if it’s a jolting surprise that’ll spoil it, because we’re seeing it again this weekend and will hang on longer this time. But if it’s something you can describe without ruining any fun, could you do that please?

    Didn’t mean for this comment to have such narrow focus. I intended to bop and around touching on a bunch of stuff that’s been written here. I’ll come back after coffee.

    Sam, if I saw Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants (which I didn’t) is it still necessary to see the the Angelopoulos Traveling Players version?

    What else was I meaning to bring up…? oh yeah, more of Edelstein bitchslapping himself:

    I can swear on Heath Ledger’s grave that I have never tailored a review — positive or negative — for the sole purpose of making a name for myself. For better or worse, I wouldn’t know how; I’m pathetically limited by what I actually think.

    He does realize somebody is publishing all this, right? Love the self-flagellation. Not so wild about the risk-free concept of swearing on the graves of unrelated strangers.

  23. HAHA Ryan, I love that Angelopoulos comment!! I am a big fan of TRAVELING PLAYERS by the way.

    My entire entourage stayed till the very last frame of the final credits, anticipating what we heard might well be a final jolt at the extreme finale of THE DARK KNIGHT…………..nothing happened. zilch. nada. I urged everyone to stay as well, as I wanted to coast to be clear to sneak over across the hall into MAMA MIA. But Daniel still could have seen something as maybe he saw it in IMAX, and maybe there was something in that format.

    Like that Chicago anecdote Ryan, LOL, and I see those numbers are really aligning for a great, big, gigantic haul. Record-breaking I bet.

  24. I almost always stay in a theatre throughout all of the credits, especially for a film I love and whose mood I want to feel continue. A girl two seats to my left exclaimed disappointment when there was no extra treat at the end of the credits, but I figured there wouldn’t be. Just doesn’t seem like something a Nolan Batman film would do. Iron Man? Hulk? Sure, but not this.

    (Same girl said as soon as it ended, “Now they can introduce Robin!” Ugh.)

    Daniel’s comment about the final frame must be the final frame before the credits begin–and I agree, that is a damned awesome final frame, and when I saw it, I thought, “Daniel was right.”

    K. Bowen, I agree with you about the themes of the film running quite deep, and like you say, Joel’s point about the title at least partly being a noirish description rings very true. (And is reinforced by Dent’s dialogue at the press conference.)

    Edelstein swearing something like that on Heath Ledger’s grave? What a drama queen. The only thing worse than the slavish fanboys who apparently want to kill any critic who disagrees is the fanboy-backlash people who want to show how different and “independent” they are. This kind of thing is a vicious circle. The fanboys crossed the line first–they hammered the dissenting critics–but in those dissenting critics’ desperation, they turned to being kind of annoying. I’ll try to understand them.

    Thinking about the film, I believe there were approximately ten times in which people cheered and applauded for a significant period of time (in each case, at least several seconds). One was The Joker’s brilliant entrance, shortly followed by the pencil trick. One was a reveal of a character we had been led to believe had bought the farm (I couldn’t hear the dialogue for a good twenty seconds). The aforementioned stunts with the truck and the Bad-pod… In many ways my favorite was at the very end, when it got a good, healthy standing O. What an atmosphere.

  25. We had no standing O’s, but Portland is kinda sedate. Applause at the end credits though, which I rarely see outside the festival movies here. But the Joker was definitely the star, in all his various moments of hilarity and horror.

    The Bat-bike/pod was pretty impressive. Seeing it in the trailers I was slightly disappointed because I couldn’t see Batman using machine guns. Now I can see Batman using machine guns and that damn bike is pretty amazing. Best entrance of a vehicle in quite some time, possibly ever. I think I just got gearhead geek on me.

    I was struck that this Batman is more conventional in his tech than previous incarnations. I like that Nolan has grounded his films a little deeper into reality, even more so than Batman Begins. Even the Joker isn’t given some of the wacky weapons he’s known for in the comics, instead relying just on the sheer horror and mania of the character to drive the film. Great stuff.

    I’d agree with the Dirty Harry reference although I haven’t seen that film in many, many years. The other noir references and Liberty Valance are all dead-on. Nice job, people.

    The opening did remind me of Heat (how could it not evoke that film?) but the rest of the film kept bringing me back to Se7en. The prevailing darkness of a madman always willing to take it one step farther than you, the certainty that all this will get far uglier before it gets any better, that notion that ultimate evil corrupts just by being exposed to its madness.

  26. Hehe, I didn’t think about the food situation, Sam. That must definitely be a consideration, especially for kids! I also completely agree that Joel has concisely analyzed themes really well in #117.

    Ryan, for me it wasn’t so much “difficulty”seeing Chicago as Gotham, it was surprise that the features of the city were so visible. Don’t get me wrong, though, I love that they filmed it there (as with Begins) and I disagree with Edelstein’s claim that it wasn’t appropriate for Gotham. Like you say, the night scenes there have a flavor all their own. If only every city had the underground world that you imagine. Plus, it was cool seeing Wayne pop up out of his lair near some abandoned warehouse and zoom downtown.

    Yeah and I can’t believe you lived where you claim to live, unless of course your income is on par with Bruce Wayne’s. I’m actually going to Chicago again next weekend and will investigate.

    Regarding the final frame, Alexander is correct, and I apologize for confusion that may have caused anyone (Sam) to stay longer than necessary. I also left during the credits (it was after 3:00 AM…), but just yesterday in browsing around I caught wind that something happened during or after. Guess not. And I have not seen it in IMAX, to clarify, so…actually, did anybody? Alexander?

    But the final frame = ***SPOILER, I GUESS?*** Batman hitting 5th gear on the Batcycle into the white light while Alfred delivers the title with aplomb.

    Next to Chop Shop for one of my favorite final frames of the year.

    Goldangit, Joel. Write a review, already, because you’re nailing point after point! Tech, villain, other films…

  27. Let’s just say the scene with the guy keeping a cell phone in a rather uncomfortable position on his person recalled Se7en for me as well. Like Hannibal Lecter in The Silence of the Lambs and John Doe in Se7en, when the Joker was egging on that cop (“Do you want to know which ones of your friends were cowards?”) the dread and anxiety in the theatre was pretty brutal.

  28. Ah, you snuck in there, Daniel.

    Yes, I saw it on IMAX. I highly recommend it. You feel like the sequences are happening in the theatre. Nolan is right. It’s far more immediate and audience-immersing than 3-D. By about ten miles.

  29. Good morning boys and girls. I’m not reading any comments until I wirte a review. We’ll see how that goes. Continue to talk amongst yourselves.

  30. “Yeah and I can’t believe you lived where you claim to live, unless of course your income is on par with Bruce Wayne’s. I’m actually going to Chicago again next weekend and will investigate.”

    McClurg Court, (block off LSD, between Ohio and Ontario. twin towers, those bronze ones… set in an L-shaped configuration to each other, prominent, you can’t miss em) Summer between Spring and Fall semester at U of C.

    fun, fun, fun… till we got evicted. oops.

    Chicago my favorite city in the country, and second favorite in the world (thus far)

  31. Cool, Alexander, that’s what I needed to hear. I’m definitely seeing it at least once more, definitely at least once in IMAX. It’s a little bit of a drive for me and that theater is kinda obnoxious (a massive multiplex in a very busy, very snobby mall) but I need to see that.

    Hannibal Lecter keeps coming up in reviews I’ve read and I can see the connection in the sheer charisma and power of Ledger’s performance, but Ledger’s Joker is really nothing like Hopkins’ Lecter for me. Lecter was evil with a kind face, a horrific appetite for violence, and a quick wit. The Joker is maniacal terror with the patience of a monk. He’s only talking to you because he’s getting you into position, either physically, mentally, or emotionally, to destroy you. The Joker is what many Americans believe Osama Bin Laden is but he’s not: the Joker doesn’t hide in some cave and dispatch his minions to kill, he brings his fight right to you and he doesn’t stop.

    I see some of Malcolm McDowell’s Alex in him too, that irreverant glee he has for owning his victim’s entire world. It is one of those performances where I repeatedly wanted to look away but just couldn’t take my eyes off him. My girlfriend, who is no fan of gore or horror, found Ledger’s performance almost too much to watch, but less so than another character late in the film. I was a little surprised by that, I figured she’d be too appalled to watch the final reel but it was Ledger that really freaked her out. She watched many of his scenes through her fingers.

  32. Look forward to it, Craig.

    I’ll see how close I can get and greet the doorman for you, Ryan. I adore Chicago as well, and it’s always on my list of “next places to live.” Fortunately it’s just a short hop from Mpls. I think people who’ve not been there have no clue how simply massive it is. I’ll actually be introducing a friend of mine (a Bostonian with whom I lived in SoCal for a few years) to the city for the first time next weekend. Can’t wait to see his eyes light up…

    Now, off to see Tell No One this afternoon. I have to say, after TDK it’s going to be REALLY hard to get excited for any movie for a while…

  33. Dan: We’ll compare notes on TELL NO ONE………I’m seeing it with Lucille and friends at 7:00 P. M. No kids for this one!! LOL!!!
    Craig liked it though, as we all know.

    Oddly enough, as much as I loved THE DARK KNIGHT, the movie of the last few days that has stayed with me the most is the ravishing French movie THE LAST MISTRESS, which I saw on Thursday night. Of course its like comparing apples and oranges and the joys are from contrasting directions. Maybe what I’m saying is that I prefer this “type” of film better than superhero movies.

    But I am not daring to steer the conversation away from the glorious DARK KNIGHT. I couldn’t even if I tried. It fully deserves all the praise and attention it is getting, led by Mr. Ryan Adams.

  34. yay Windy City!
    I’m offline for a bit too.
    I don’t want this ecstasy trip to stop rolling.

  35. I agree, Joel; ultimately, the Joker and Lecter are very different animals, even with some rough similariites (intelligent resourcefulness being one of them, like the scene I was discussing with the cop he eggs on, which did feel a bit like Lecter–especially the way Nolan cuts to him having the upper hand without having to explain just how he did it).

  36. Agreed, Alexander. That scene is very reminiscent of Mr Fava Beans himself. I’m not saying there’s no connection, just for me I found Ledger’s Joker to be a different breed of homicidal maniac and Lecter never really popped into my mind when I watched. Oscar-worthy performance like Hopkin’s Lecter? That is a distinct possibility.

    Always wanted to see Chicago and you boys are making the itch come back with a fury. Heard great things about the Windy City.

    Sam, I don’t doubt one bit that other movies may linger more strongly than Dark Knight for you. My enthusiasm and excitement for it simply hasn’t been recently eclipsed by anything else, but I could see getting something else more deeply under your skin. As you say, they are very different types of movies.

  37. Thanks Joel, I quite agree with everything you say there.

  38. ” have to say, after TDK it’s going to be REALLY hard to get excited for any movie for a while…”

    Nah. I saw Man on Wire two days later.

  39. Not seeing DK until tomorrow at earliest. I was unaffected by the “hype” prior to the opening but the LiC commenter raves have ratcheted up my anticipation to delirious levels. Tiny beads of sweat appear above sartre’s upper lip, involuntary facial tics dance crazily across his face, his glazed eyes constantly stare at DK poster, he jerkily (like a puppet) performs a demented dance before it – a la Amadeus in front of his dead father’s portrait…

    Herzog is the only person capable of doing justice to the Juliano family doc.

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